Problems in bending sheet aluminium to a 90 deg angle

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Problems in bending sheet aluminium to a 90 deg angle

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    Greensands
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      @greensands

      Hi – Can anyone offer advice/assistance on just how to achieve a 90 degree bend in sheet stock. The photos illustrate my (home made) bending machine at work and the results obtained when attempting to achieve a 90 degree bend in 1.5mm aluminium sheet. As I see it the bending arms need to move through 90 plus degrees in order to to end up with the required 90 degree angle but I am not sure what modifications are required to the bending gear to achieve the desired effect.

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      Greensands
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        @greensands
        #557408
        Brian H
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          @brianh50089

          Most bending operations will require the metal to be overbent and allowed, or made, to spring back.

          With aluminium in particular, the amount will depend on wether the material is pure aluminium or one of the heat treated alloys.

          I would suggest removing the piece of angle iron and keeping a check on the angle with some sort of angle gauge until the correct angle is reached.

          Brian

          #557409
          John Haine
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            @johnhaine32865

            I think that the bit the metal bends against should have a bevelled edge at say 45 degrees rather than 90 as you have it. This allows you to bend for the "plus" bit to allow for springback.

            #557410
            John Haine
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              @johnhaine32865

              I think that the bit the metal bends against should have a bevelled edge at say 45 degrees rather than 90 as you have it. This allows you to bend for the "plus" bit to allow for springback.

              #557411
              noel shelley
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                @noelshelley55608

                You will never make a 90* bend unless you over bend by a small amount 3-5*. Youngs modulus of elasticity or some such ! So having a a stop at 90* will always give a smaller bend. If you measure the bend you have, then add the short fall to 90* you will be pretty close. Good luck, Noel.

                #557413
                pgk pgk
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                  @pgkpgk17461

                  The simplest mod I can think of (will it work?) would be to turn your rt angle steel to apex uppermost with appropriate mounting holes (perhaps little flat topped V blocks so you can dog down) and then make up a stop each end of the bend area so you can adjust for repetition.

                  pgk

                  #557414
                  Gary Wooding
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                    @garywooding25363

                    I reckon that the purpose of the angle-iron is to securely clamp the workpiece, but you are using it as a bend stop. I suggest to reverse the angle-iron and machine a bevel on the edge close to the bending point. Then make a separate stop to limit the bend amount.

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                    Former Member
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                      #557420
                      Steviegtr
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                        @steviegtr

                        I assume the angle iron is locked down with the 2 screws to hold the plate in place, to be bent. Once you have done the bend. Release the hold down angle iron & draw the angle bent piece through a little further. Clamp down & re-bend. You will achieve the angle you want.

                        Only problem with this method is the radius of the bend will be greater & allowance will have to be made with sizing the material.

                        Steve.

                        #557423
                        Greensands
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                          @greensands

                          The angle plate is currently serving as both a holding down clamp and backing plate held in position by two 1/4 dia socket screws permitting a 12" maximum sheet width. I rather like the idea of retaining the angle as the means of clamping and to then consider machining an angle on the front face. Problem is just how to go about milling the angle. Current thoughts are to use two milling table vices which permits holding long lengths but just how to set up the angle is the problem.

                          #557425
                          Oven Man
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                            @ovenman

                            Most DIY benders have the clampling angle "upside down" so that the two edges clamp the part and then there is room to over bend the part.

                            Peter

                            #557426
                            John Haine
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                              @johnhaine32865

                              You won't be able to machine a very large slope on the angle because it isn't very thick. You could replace it with a rectangular bar perhaps? Make the bevell / chamfer perhaps by milling with a dovetail cutter. Or for a 45* chamfer, mount the bar by clamping in a couple of vee blocks.

                              #557427
                              Nicholas Farr
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                                @nicholasfarr14254

                                Hi, I made a 1M long one in my last job, Which had a piece of 100 x100 x 12mm angle and like pgk pgk says, the apex was uppermost so it had a 45 degree backwards fence. The two outside edges were machine back though where it clamped the sheet being folded, so it had just a very small radius for the bend. The angle also had a 30 x 70mm piece of flat bar tack welded inside the angle, which helped it from bowing during folding and a block was welded on each end of the angle for a sloppy 24mm bolt hole for clamping it down, the sloppy hole made for a bit of adjustment for different thickness metal. We could, with a bit of a grunt, bend a piece of 1mm 306 stainless steel, about 800mm wide in it, but it would do ally up to 1.5mm thick the full 1M wide. It was made to be bolted down to a heavy steel bench. Yes you will always get a bit of spring-back, even on a break press.

                                Regards Nick.

                                P.S. on reflection, the clamping blocks welded on each end of the angle, were in fact thick oblong box sections.

                                Edited By Nicholas Farr on 07/08/2021 15:55:29

                                #557432
                                Roger Best
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                                  @rogerbest89007

                                  Gary has it. smileyyes

                                  #557436
                                  JasonB
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                                    @jasonb

                                    Yep what Garry says, the angle is really only to stop the clamping bar bowing, rotate 180deg so vertical leg is away from the bend and mill or file a chamfer on the edge of the flat leg

                                    It won't mean a larger bending radius.

                                    Edited By JasonB on 07/08/2021 16:27:30

                                    Edited By JasonB on 07/08/2021 17:08:21

                                    #557445
                                    Sam Longley 1
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                                      @samlongley1

                                      I would now lay a piece of wire or thin rod  in the angle right in the bend & then push the upright just over centre. The wire acting as a radiused packing off the 90 degree former

                                      Edited By Sam Longley 1 on 07/08/2021 18:33:18

                                      #557465
                                      Howard Lewis
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                                        @howardlewis46836

                                        +1 for overbending, so that then metal springs back to 90 degrees.

                                        A bit of "suck it and see" until you get to know how much to over end to get the required angle.

                                        Will probably vary from material to material, and the thickness..

                                        File under "Experience", unless you are like me and have a good ability to forget.

                                        Howard

                                        #557495
                                        Hillclimber
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                                          @hillclimber

                                          Check out the layout of the bending machine photo that JasonB has posted.

                                          You will see that the angle is used as the bending bar, and is mounted to the moving component of the tool. The workpiece is held with a flat clamping bar, the leading edge of which is bevelled.

                                          That bevel is only essential if you need a sharp fold, and you are going to set the leading edge back very slightly from the machine fold, to accommodate the material.

                                          Good luck.

                                          Cheers, Colin

                                          #557497
                                          JasonB
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                                            @jasonb
                                            Posted by Hillclimber on 08/08/2021 07:46:36:

                                            Check out the layout of the bending machine photo that JasonB has posted.

                                            You will see that the angle is used as the bending bar, and is mounted to the moving component of the tool. The workpiece is held with a flat clamping bar, the leading edge of which is bevelled.

                                            No, The work is clamped by the larger angle on the top held down by the two extended wing nuts, bevel can be seen on this angle.

                                            The smaller angle on the moving part is just the way the bender is made.

                                            Full details of that folder here

                                            #557505
                                            John Haine
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                                              @johnhaine32865

                                              Another way to bevel the edge of the clamping angle is to use a 90* countersink as a milling cutter. Makes an awful noise but does the job if you take it slow.

                                              #557511
                                              Greensands
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                                                @greensands

                                                Problem now sorted. Angle bar now inverted with flats milled on the apex at three different spacings for 1/4" dia clamping screws and have now achieved the 90 degree bend. Thanks to all those who offered help and assistance.

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                                                #557523
                                                Joseph Noci 1
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                                                  @josephnoci1

                                                  If you have not machined flats on the edges of the angle, ie, the edges now holding down on the bend-sheet then you are going to get a large bend radius on the material and that radius is rather uncontrolled. Makes it difficult to work out any bend allowance and setback.. In addition, your setup won't easily allow for sheet thickness compensation – I suppose the big holes around the capscrews will have enough slop to move the angle about a bit to aid that.

                                                  Put those flats on and elongate the capscrew holes and use a thick (6mm?) steel washer under the capscrew head..

                                                  But I guess your bend job is already done!

                                                  Joe

                                                  #557985
                                                  Nigel Graham 2
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                                                    @nigelgraham2

                                                    If that a ngle is hot-rolled it will have a radiused edge, so having reversed it so the upright is at the back, you might find it won't need chamfering.

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