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Ideas on how to make a nylon Stiffnut ‘less stiff’

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  • #548442
    Greensands
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      @greensands

      Can anyone suggest a method of making a commercial Stiffnut 'less stiff' in order to reduce the torque required to tighten things up. I am using a 16mm nylon insert nut with a commercial zinc plated bolt in a rather confined space requiring the use of a special purpose 2-Pin spanners and given the fact that the spanner pin diameter is limited to 3/32" diameter it is proving essential to reduce the degree of stiffness imposed by the nylon insert. In the absence of a 16mm tap I have tried running the nut up and down the bolt which has eased things a little but it is still too stiff for comfort. Before resorting to abrasives and the like I just wonder if anyone may have some useful suggestions worth trying.

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      Greensands
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        @greensands
        #548444
        Michael Gilligan
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          @michaelgilligan61133

          Run a tap through it.

          O.K. You don’t have a tap … Make a very basic one by modifying a bolt.

          MichaelG.

          Edited By Michael Gilligan on 05/06/2021 21:12:55

          #548445
          Mike Poole
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            @mikepoole82104

            It may help to warm the nut and some lube may help, nyloc nuts usually do relax a bit with use but it sounds like yours is not giving up easily.

            Mike

            #548447
            Pete.
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              @pete-2

              Take the nylon insert out, if you ran a tap through it, it would reduce the friction to make it ineffective anyway, I assume it coming loose isn't an issue as you want the nylon insert to have no friction?

              #548460
              Greensands
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                @greensands

                Yes, I had considered warming it up a little. Will try this in the morning. Thread cutting lubricant appeared to have little effect.

                #548467
                Robert Butler
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                  @robertbutler92161

                  Use an ordinary nut, it's use for what was intended is pretty much destroyed anyway.

                  Robert Butler

                  #548471
                  Michael Gilligan
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                    @michaelgilligan61133
                    Posted by Pete. on 05/06/2021 21:21:09:

                    Take the nylon insert out, if you ran a tap through it, it would reduce the friction to make it ineffective anyway, I assume it coming loose isn't an issue as you want the nylon insert to have no friction?

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                    Surely Greensands is looking to make the nut “less stiff” not free-running

                    A few turns of a taper tap would do that nicely.

                    MichaelG.

                    #548472
                    Pete.
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                      @pete-2
                      Posted by Michael Gilligan on 05/06/2021 23:58:40:

                      Posted by Pete. on 05/06/2021 21:21:09:

                      Take the nylon insert out, if you ran a tap through it, it would reduce the friction to make it ineffective anyway, I assume it coming loose isn't an issue as you want the nylon insert to have no friction?

                      .

                      Surely Greensands is looking to make the nut “less stiff” not free-running

                      A few turns of a taper tap would do that nicely.

                      MichaelG.

                      By the time it's loose enough to turn easily with your fingers, surely all the benefits of the nylon insert have gone? Car manuals generally advise to replace these when taken off, I would assume their testing shows the nylon needs to be pretty tight to work properly.

                      #548474
                      Pete.
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                        @pete-2

                        Just to be clear, I'm not saying removing it is a good idea, just pointing out they're only really effective when tight, he gave the impression he wanted convenience rather than proper assembly.

                        #548475
                        Martin W
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                          @martinw

                          How about using a plain nut with a low strength and slow acting/setting thread retainer such as Loctite; other thread locking fluids are available. This way you get the best of both worlds with a nut that can be tightened with minimum force and after 24hrs or so a nut that will be more secure than a bodged nyloc nut, probably better than a non bodged nut.

                          If this is a fit once installation and you don't plan to remove the nut then use a medium or high strength thread retainer. Horses for courses as they say smiley.

                          Hope this helps.

                          Martin W

                          #548476
                          Michael Gilligan
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                            @michaelgilligan61133

                            I don’t think I have access to the standard, but :

                            ”ISO 2320 applies to lock nuts with nylon inserts within the temperature range of −50 °C to +120 °C.”

                            … and there are some usefully defined terms, which might inform this discussion:

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                            **LINK**

                            https://amesweb.info/Fasteners/Metric_Hex_Nuts/Prevailing-Torque-Values-Lock-Nuts.aspx

                            MichaelG.

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                            Edit: __ also see this : https://nylok.com/fastener-glossary

                            Edited By Michael Gilligan on 06/06/2021 06:08:46

                            #548482
                            JasonB
                            Moderator
                              @jasonb

                              Stick it in the lathe and bore the nylon out slightly this will still leave some thread but the amount of contact area will be reduced and therefore friction. You can take a bit off and try it then take a bit more if needed.

                              #548499
                              Nick Wheeler
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                                @nickwheeler

                                Run the nut up and down the thread with a power tool. That ought to loosen it a bit.

                                #548510
                                Dave Smith 14
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                                  @davesmith14

                                  +1 for run it up and down a bolt it will soon loose its grip. That is why repeated use of nylocs should be avoided.

                                  #548533
                                  Dave Halford
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                                    @davehalford22513

                                    If you can get a drill into where the nut is.

                                    Tighten either a standard nut or a nyloc with the nylon cooked out of it. Drill through a nut flank into the bolt, that is sometimes enough to hold it without putting wire into the hole.

                                    #548541
                                    Greensands
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                                      @greensands

                                      Hi all – Problem now sorted thanks to the combined advice given on the topic. The answer was a combination of running the nut up and down the bolt a number of times plus a modified 2-pin wrench to provide greater leverage. Surprising thing is that although the torque level is now at an acceptable value for the job in hand, there is still a fair degree of stiffness retained in the nut. Thanks to all who responded.

                                      #548564
                                      Neil Wyatt
                                      Moderator
                                        @neilwyatt

                                        Try drying the nut in a warm oven for a few hours.

                                        It will shrink, by an amount depending on the humidity it's been stored in, and it may be easier for the screw to compress it.

                                        As it reabsorbs moisture, it will regain its grip.

                                        Neil

                                        #548589
                                        old mart
                                        Participant
                                          @oldmart

                                          I have used blunt taps and also a length of studding, an electric drill with reverse, a ring spanner, and bingo, the nut is not quite as stiff.

                                          #548618
                                          John Reese
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                                            @johnreese12848

                                            +1 on Jason B's method.

                                            #548621
                                            Nigel Graham 2
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                                              @nigelgraham2

                                              Would a plain nut and spring washer not be a simpler and more elegant solution?

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