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  • #408794
    Danny M2Z
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      @dannym2z

      I have noticed that a few gunsmiths advocate this technique. They are cutting a barrel tenon away from a fixed shoulder and I must admit that it is new to me but it seems to make sense – here is a linky UDRT

      Any thoughts on this as a general technique considering that most forum members to not thread barrels?

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      Danny M2Z
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        @dannym2z
        #408808
        duncan webster 1
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          @duncanwebster1

          Don't try this on a lathe with a screwed on chuck, for obvious reasons

          #408810
          JasonB
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            @jasonb

            I do it quite often except I have a tool the right way up behind the work and just run in reverse, have suggested it a few times on here as you can run at a decent speed due to having miles of room to stop.

            Edited By JasonB on 11/05/2019 16:57:54

            #408817
            Nick Hughes
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              @nickhughes97026

              No problem with the Myford screwed on chuck when I did it:-

              20190223_105748.jpg

              Edited By Nick Hughes on 11/05/2019 16:50:29

              #408819
              ega
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                @ega

                Jason B:

                You have not mentioned this in vain.

                However, the direct import Chinese tool-holder I used to try this would, I think, only be usable with relatively short threads. I was surprised by how well this method worked given that the tool seems to be working the wrong way round in relation to the helix angle of the thread.

                I found also that the work is more difficult to see working like this and it was obviously necessary to be very disciplined about moving switches and levers in the appropriate direction.

                #408878
                I.M. OUTAHERE
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                  @i-m-outahere

                  Also used for threading blind holes like threaded end caps etc .

                  #408889
                  ega
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                    @ega
                    Posted by Nick Hughes on 11/05/2019 16:49:10:

                    No problem with the Myford screwed on chuck when I did it:-

                    20190223_105748.jpg

                    Edited By Nick Hughes on 11/05/2019 16:50:29

                    Light bulb moment: running the tool upside down at the front would deal with my visibility problem – thank you!

                    #408891
                    not done it yet
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                      @notdoneityet
                      Posted by Nick Hughes on 11/05/2019 16:49:10:

                      No problem with the Myford screwed on chuck when I did it:-

                      20190223_105748.jpg

                      Edited By Nick Hughes on 11/05/2019 16:50:29

                      Yes, that was clearly so – but would you accept the blame when someone ends up with his chuck on his/her toes?

                      #408905
                      Hopper
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                        @hopper
                        Posted by not done it yet on 12/05/2019 08:57:01:

                        Posted by Nick Hughes on 11/05/2019 16:49:10:

                        No problem with the Myford screwed on chuck when I did it:-

                        20190223_105748.jpg

                        Edited By Nick Hughes on 11/05/2019 16:50:29

                        Yes, that was clearly so – but would you accept the blame when someone ends up with his chuck on his/her toes?

                        There is a simple safeguard to stop the chuck unscrewing: A length of threaded rod through the spindle hole with a large washer or even a piece of flat bar with hole drilled in it holding the chuck in place. Other end of the threaded rod has a nut and washer that is nipped up. Simples.

                        #408929
                        not done it yet
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                          @notdoneityet

                          So it is no good for any workpiece which might pass through the chuck and into the spindle? Special cases can often be contrived, but simply stating that screw on chucks can be used in reverse is not good information for new starters – who are more likely to get the chuck on their toes.

                          #408966
                          Nick Hulme
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                            @nickhulme30114
                            Posted by duncan webster on 11/05/2019 16:08:18:

                            Don't try this on a lathe with a screwed on chuck, for obvious reasons

                            Done it on a Myford Super 7 for 15 years, you have to cut a massive thread in one pass to dislodge a well fitted Myford chuck.

                            #408967
                            Nick Hulme
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                              @nickhulme30114
                              Posted by not done it yet on 12/05/2019 13:00:36:

                              So it is no good for any workpiece which might pass through the chuck and into the spindle?

                              It's fine, all the "experts" haven't actually done it, or if they have and hit this problem they had left their chuck loose 😀

                              #409022
                              Alan .204
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                                @alan-204

                                I do all my threading with an inverted tool away from the chuck, no need for thread relief either, I just go straight into the finished depth pull back out then thread in stages as normal just in reverse, works a treat and more importantly for me safer.

                                Alan.

                                #409029
                                thaiguzzi
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                                  @thaiguzzi
                                  Posted by not done it yet on 12/05/2019 08:57:01:

                                  Posted by Nick Hughes on 11/05/2019 16:49:10:

                                  No problem with the Myford screwed on chuck when I did it:-

                                  20190223_105748.jpg

                                  Edited By Nick Hughes on 11/05/2019 16:50:29

                                  Yes, that was clearly so – but would you accept the blame when someone ends up with his chuck on his/her toes?

                                  Not at screwcutting speeds.

                                  Screwcutting on my Boxford in reverse @ 50 rpm and a low DOC is not going to unscrew a chuck.

                                  #409030
                                  Hopper
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                                    @hopper

                                    It's probably like welding petrol tanks, maybe one in a thousand goes wrong. Just don't be that one…

                                    #409067
                                    Circlip
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                                      @circlip

                                      In a similar vein, left an American ME site after arguing with a colonial about NOT using a milling cutter in a drill chuck.

                                      "I've been doing it for years" was the retort.

                                      Regards Ian.

                                      #409137
                                      Jon
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                                        @jon
                                        Posted by Alan .204 on 13/05/2019 00:07:21:

                                        I do all my threading with an inverted tool away from the chuck, no need for thread relief either, I just go straight in

                                        How are you plunging in to the metal with no relief?
                                        Instant busted tip guaranteed every time not to mention aligning the start every time = impossible.

                                        Most blind hole have no relief

                                        #409139
                                        Jon
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                                          @jon
                                          Posted by Circlip on 13/05/2019 12:00:05:

                                          In a similar vein, left an American ME site after arguing with a colonial about NOT using a milling cutter in a drill chuck.

                                          "I've been doing it for years" was the retort.

                                          Whats the problem with that?

                                          Is it because its not a drill or a D bit or any other kind.

                                          #409147
                                          SillyOldDuffer
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                                            @sillyoldduffer
                                            Posted by Nick Hulme on 12/05/2019 17:18:35:

                                            Posted by duncan webster on 11/05/2019 16:08:18:

                                            Don't try this on a lathe with a screwed on chuck, for obvious reasons

                                            Done it on a Myford Super 7 for 15 years, you have to cut a massive thread in one pass to dislodge a well fitted Myford chuck.

                                            Perhaps your chuck is jammed, it's a well known Myford problem… devil

                                            #409158
                                            Alan .204
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                                              @alan-204

                                              John, when the tip of the insert is where I want it I set a DTI on the bed way so every time I come back I start in the same place, I have brocken tips yes but not doing it like this, as for plunging what ever the finished depth is I go to depth in full then come back to the start of the depth so to speak and add more depth each time I make another pass, I’ve had no problems at all, give it go if you don’t believe me, I will be making some collet holders soon I’ll put it on my ytube channel you can have a look if you want to, just because you haven’t done something a certain way yourself doesn’t mean you should dismiss it ?

                                              Alan.

                                              #409210
                                              Circlip
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                                                @circlip

                                                "

                                                Whats the problem with that?

                                                Is it because its not a drill or a D bit or any other kind. "

                                                Try milling with it. Once you've seen one rattle and exit the chuck, you won't do it again.

                                                 

                                                Regards Ian.

                                                Edited By Circlip on 14/05/2019 12:14:19

                                                #409212
                                                Baz
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                                                  @baz89810

                                                  Ian, totally agree with you, clue is in the name Drill Chuck. Seems that people don’t want to believe lathe chucks unscrew when run in reverse and drill chucks aren’t to be used for milling, only way for them to discover these basic truths is to have an accident and either scrap the job or Injure themselves.

                                                  #409216
                                                  JasonB
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                                                    @jasonb

                                                    If you do think your chuck may screw off then the upside down and reverse method can still be used if the tailstock ctr is brought up for support as the chuck won't unscrew against that. Good idea anyway if threading slender items.

                                                    A more useful comment than "don't do it on a screwed chuck machine" , would have been to say take precautions to stop the chuck coming off if doing it on a threaded spindle machine.

                                                    Now just need to go and remake that Minnie of mine where all the milling was done with the cutters in a drill or 3-jaw chuckdevil

                                                    Edited By JasonB on 14/05/2019 13:10:35

                                                    #409279
                                                    Jon
                                                    Participant
                                                      @jon
                                                      Posted by Circlip on 14/05/2019 12:13:00:

                                                      "

                                                      Whats the problem with that?

                                                      Is it because its not a drill or a D bit or any other kind. "

                                                      Try milling with it. Once you've seen one rattle and exit the chuck, you won't do it again.

                                                      Absolute garbage been doing and not diy for 28 years, not once has anything worked loose except using ER collets

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