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    Speedy Builder5
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      @speedybuilder5

      The other day I dropped my rebate plane off the scaffolding whilst building a wooden garage. Of course, being of cast iron, something had to break and on recovery, the nose of the plane had snapped off. To repair it, I ground a 'V' along the crack line and welded it back on with Stainless filler wire using an Argon CO2 gas mix and the MIG welder. When it had cooled a little, I put a spot more weld on the back of the crack – a bit difficult to get to though !

      plane welding46.jpg
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      I think I will leave the excess weld on the front until the day I need to get really close to the end of a blind rebate.
      BobH

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      #16023
      Speedy Builder5
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        @speedybuilder5

        Repair of cast iron

        #360225
        Jon Lawes
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          @jonlawes51698

          Thats the difference between an engineer and the layman! Someone else would have just bought another….

          #360263
          Clive Foster
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            @clivefoster55965

            Interesting that you used stainless MIG wire for such good results.

            I've tried ordinary MIG filler with very poor results. Was told that the MIG heat is too concentrated so only a very small volume of the part being repaired gets really hot leading to very fast cool-down producing a hardened, brittle, joint line between substrate and filler.

            Presumably the poor thermal conductivity of stainless slows the cooling process enough for the joint line not to go really hard.

            Generally the stick welder buttering process where the joint is opened up to a relatively large Vee and filler initially built up from several thin layers made at lowest practical current before finishing with a normal size rod effectively welding filler to filler works well enough for me. But there are times when MIG wire in a smaller Vee would be a better fit.

            Clive.

            #360266
            nigel jones 5
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              @nigeljones5

              Might it be cast steel and not iron, it welds OK?

              #360273
              Speedy Builder5
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                @speedybuilder5

                Interesting point Fizzy, it files like C.I. How would you tell C.I from C.S. ?
                BobH

                #360297
                Clive Foster
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                  @clivefoster55965

                  If it files like cast iron it could well be what our American friends call "semi-steel".

                  Basically a grey cast iron with a fair bit of steel added to the melt. Maybe 30 to 40% steel. SouthBend used around 40% steel in their mix. I've repaired a couple or three SouthBend components and it welds very nicely indeed. Lots of ordinary steels are worse. Best one was a broken gearbox end clamp eye on the banjo bracket off a Heavy 10 which went back together absolutely perfectly. Under a thou out of round with just the right amount of nip for adjustment when loose and needing minimal tightening on the bolt to make it stay.

                  As I understand it semi-steel in UK terminology refers to materials produced by specialised processing of ordinary cast iron, eg. nodular cast iron, rather than simply mixing in steel to the melt before pouring.

                  Clive.

                  #360316
                  Speedy Builder5
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                    @speedybuilder5

                    It is an American plane ! I thought Cast Steel had bright flakes in it when you observe the broken face.

                    #360318
                    vintagengineer
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                      @vintagengineer

                      Might be mallable iron.

                      #360321
                      peak4
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                        @peak4

                        A good friend of mine, a competent welder, but now sadly deceased, also used stainless on cast iron.

                        He normally used stainless to lay down/butter the first coat and finished off with plain steel; seemed to work well enough, even on car exhaust manifolds.

                        Bill

                        #360600
                        Nick Hulme
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                          @nickhulme30114

                          I use 316L wire and rods on Cast Iron, always with plenty of pre-heat and a well insulated slow cool, it works very well.

                          #360621
                          Brian Wood
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                            @brianwood45127

                            I only have oxy-acetylene gas welding and have had success with Sifbronze brazing rods and the matching flux to repair breaks in cast iron. Preheating and slow cooling is important

                            Brian

                            #573549
                            Speedy Builder5
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                              @speedybuilder5

                              Update, just been watching the YESTERDAY channel where they were repairing large decorative cast iron panels on a bridge in Edinburough. The panels were removed then the temperature of the panel raised overnight to 600 deg C before oxygen acetylene welding.

                              Bob

                              #573554
                              Martin Kyte
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                                @martinkyte99762

                                If that is a Stanley No 78 then there are some interesting comments here.

                                **LINK**

                                Including the expectation of Brazed repairs exactly where yours broke.

                                regards Martin

                                #573573
                                Martin King 2
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                                  @martinking2

                                  Hi All,

                                  I have seen and had no end of these broken No:78's, usually for spares.

                                  I have never had any luck trying to weld them but now that I have my TIG unit I may have a go for fun. Not worth selling a repaired one though. I am just listing a nice complete boxed Woden version the last of three that I bought at a flea market. They used to do very well but not so good these days.

                                  Lots of people sell them on EBay when cut down as "Chisel Planes" and the suckers seem to like them!

                                  Cheers,Martin

                                  #573575
                                  Martin King 2
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                                    @martinking2

                                    Martin Kyte,

                                    Just noticed that your link is to Patrick Leach's Blood & Gore site; THE definitive Stanley plane resource on the net.

                                    Patrick is a good friend and a great buyer and seller of rare and quality tools with a wealth of knowledge.

                                    Cheers, Martin

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