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  • #15893
    mick70
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      #269339
      mick70
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        @mick70

        is there such a thing?

        was looking through Arc catalogue last night with my 9 yr old boy and he asked me.

        he said they sell 4 jaw ones.

        said i have never seen one but doesn't mean they don't exsist.

        would like to be able to answer him properly

        ta

        #269341
        Jon Gibbs
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          @jongibbs59756

          I doubt there is for practical reasons.

          Can you imagine centering up a part in one?

          With a 4-jaw independent, the jaw pairs act more or less independently, whereas on a 3-jaw they will all interact with one another.

          Jon

          #269342
          mick70
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            @mick70

            along lines i was thinking but would still like to answer him definitively one way or other.

            #269348
            Jon Gibbs
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              @jongibbs59756

              I stand corrected although it seems like a hybrid…

              **LINK**

              Edited By Jon Gibbs on 01/12/2016 14:07:42

              #269349
              simon Hewitt 1
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                @simonhewitt1

                http://www.bison-bial.co.uk/lathe-chucks/4505-200

                Searched for "3 jaw independant chuck"

                I have never heard of them either, and as Jon says, how would you use it? To tighten one jaw, you would need to loosen the other two by the same amount.

                #269350
                Martin Connelly
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                  @martinconnelly55370

                  I can't think of anything that you could put in a 3 jaw independent that could not also go in a 4 jaw independent so it could be a redundant piece of metal that may never be used.

                  Martin

                  #269353
                  Nigel Bennett
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                    @nigelbennett69913

                    I do recall some chap with an ancient lathe bemoaning the sheer cussedness of a 3-jaw independent chuck that was fitted to his lathe, so it seems that they do exist, but probably no longer made.

                    #269354
                    mick70
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                      @mick70

                      thanks can now let him know they do exsist.

                      #269356
                      Neil Wyatt
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                        Read the small print on the Bison:

                        "Chuck jaws can be individually adjusted according to the form of the workpiece and the self-centering option assures time efficient repeatability throughout a series of alike operations"

                        I imagine it would work well for irregular castings where you can set up one item and then quickly change for the next without having to readjust.

                        Neil

                        #269370
                        Michael Gilligan
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                          @michaelgilligan61133
                          Posted by Jon Gibbs on 01/12/2016 13:06:02:

                          Can you imagine centering up a part in one?

                          .

                          I would rather not

                          … But, curiously enough, the tribrach has become the standard way of levelling theodolite, etc. [whereas the early ones had four-screw levelling]. Logically, one might think that the difficulties were comparable.

                          MichaelG.

                          #269386
                          NJH
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                            @njh

                            There is, of course, the 3-Jaw Grip-Tru chuck which allows some adjustment of the POSITION of the chuck on the backplate but the jaws still act together so irregular work is not catered for.

                            The Grip-Tru is good – especially if you need to re-chuck round work – but I find it a bit of a snag to get right – maybe I've not used it enough!

                            As far as irregular castings go then the 4-jaw independent should cope with Neil's castings.

                            ( In fact I have heard it said that " why do folk need self centring chucks when a 4-jaw independent will do it all! &quot

                            Norman

                            #269393
                            Maurice Cox 1
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                              I was once permitted to use a large lathe to turn some 14 inch diameter traction engine wheels. It had a three jaw S/C chuck, the jaws of which could be indepentantly adjusted; and when I was let loose on it, it was not adjusted. It was complete nightmare to get it right. It was not just one jaw that needed a bit of a nudge. I did manage to do the job in the end, but it was quite protracted.

                              Maurice

                              #269922
                              Nick Hulme
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                                @nickhulme30114

                                If you have 3 jaws and need to adjust off centre the gap between the two that are moving away from the centre opens up quickly, making them unsuitable for anything other than quite large work with limited eccentricity.

                                – Nick

                                #272286
                                vintagengineer
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                                  @vintagengineer

                                  I have put a 3 jaw chuck with soft jaws on a mill and milled the jaws to a specific shape to allow production machining of water pump castings.

                                  #272296
                                  Philip Powell
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                                    @philippowell34749

                                    How about a 2 jaw independent chuck! **LINK**

                                    #272312
                                    Bazyle
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                                      @bazyle

                                      It's really not difficult to adjust. You have a setting disc with a centre dimple that you can position with your tailstock centre and you just run the jaws in to touch it (or just centre on the tailstock barrel. You then have a starting point. You can also position each jaw on a dial indicator.

                                      #272313
                                      duncan webster 1
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                                        Posted by Michael Gilligan on 01/12/2016 16:40:58:

                                        Posted by Jon Gibbs on 01/12/2016 13:06:02:

                                        Can you imagine centering up a part in one?

                                        .

                                        I would rather not

                                        … But, curiously enough, the tribrach has become the standard way of levelling theodolite, etc. [whereas the early ones had four-screw levelling]. Logically, one might think that the difficulties were comparable.

                                        MichaelG.

                                        When you set a thoedolite you turn 2 screws at the same time in opposite directions, so they tip the head in one plane but don't lift it if you see what I mean. This would be more than difficult with a chuck

                                        #272314
                                        Bazyle
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                                          @bazyle

                                          Use: A typical use might be for machining the end of the crankcase of a model aeroplane engine. This has a round base to the crankcase and the cylinder sticking out. There are mounting lugs each side of the crankcase so difficult to hold in the 4 jaw.
                                          Centre all jaws then open out to position 2 jaws on the case body, then independently move the 3rd jaw to hold the top of the cylinder. The 2 matching jaws position it so the centre is on a line between these jaws but may be off set a bit along the line. So measure the offset, move the 3rd jaw by that amount and finally move all together to grip it

                                          #272320
                                          Michael Gilligan
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                                            @michaelgilligan61133

                                            Duncan,

                                            I think you may have missed my point about the Tribrach; but it matters not.

                                            To me; comparison with the chuck situation seemed 'interesting'

                                            [not planning to labour it though]

                                            MichaelG.

                                            #272340
                                            Neil Wyatt
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                                              Posted by Michael Gilligan on 01/12/2016 16:40:58:

                                              Posted by Jon Gibbs on 01/12/2016 13:06:02:

                                              Can you imagine centering up a part in one?

                                              .

                                              I would rather not

                                              … But, curiously enough, the tribrach has become the standard way of levelling theodolite, etc. [whereas the early ones had four-screw levelling]. Logically, one might think that the difficulties were comparable.

                                              MichaelG.

                                              The principle is that a three-point contact in two dimensions is always stable, four is not.

                                              The same arrangement is used for aligning telescope finders, Where the adjustment range is small it is possible to fit the adjusters so their effect is, to all intents and purposes, at right angles over small adjustments and some finderscope arrangements do this.

                                              This means adjusters at 0, 90 and 225 degrees. You could make a scrolled + independent chuck with jaws at these angles that would be very easy to adjust but would look very wrong…

                                              Neil

                                              #272345
                                              Michael Gilligan
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                                                @michaelgilligan61133

                                                Posted by Neil Wyatt on 17/12/2016 10:25:12:

                                                1. The principle is that a three-point contact in two dimensions is always stable, four is not.
                                                2. … This means adjusters at 0, 90 and 225 degrees.

                                                .

                                                1. … [ and the Pope is a Catholic ]
                                                2. … not on a typical levelling tribrach [which is was I talking about]

                                                MichaelG.

                                                .

                                                https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribrach_(instrument)

                                                 

                                                Edited By Michael Gilligan on 17/12/2016 10:41:51

                                                #272353
                                                Neil Lickfold
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                                                  @neillickfold44316

                                                  I have seen a chuck where 2 jaws can be set, and then locked, and the 3rd one is the only one that moves. The 3rd jaw was moved like a 4 jaw, ie on it's own scroll for that jaw.

                                                  It may have been a purpose made, as I do not recall a brand name on it. With the other 2 jaws, there were various shaped jaws that were used with it. They were made in such away that the part could not be accidently placed in the wrong way. The other 2 shoes as I would call them were often referred to as grips.

                                                  Neil

                                                  #272356
                                                  Cyril Bonnett
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                                                    @cyrilbonnett24790

                                                    My 3 jaw chuck has problems, all three jaws have decided to work independently, I've got ACAS working on them to come to some sort of collective agreement so they will all work together.

                                                    #272357
                                                    Bazyle
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                                                      @bazyle

                                                      OT but useful. If you put a 4 legged table on uneven ground one leg is in the air. So you move it and now a different leg is in the air. DOH! but that means there is a position between the two places you tried that is the transition between one leg in the air and the other. Careful movement will always find this spot and hence a 4 leg table can be just as stable as a 3 leg.

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