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    Pete Berry
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      According to the operators manual, data sheet No. 10 gives full info on cutting worms. Has anybody a copy of this data sheet or can offer assistance on the gear train required to cut a 20 DP worm on the Little John lathe. It is fitted with a quick change gear box and I have the change wheels for imperial or metric screw cutting.

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      Pete Berry
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        #160379
        Brian Wood
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          Hello Peter,

          I can't help you with information on the Little John lathe directly, but 20 DP pitch is 3.990 mm or 0.157 inches [6.37 TPI]

          If you can build up gearings for those pitches, either of them, from the tables and pitches you have available already, you should be in the right area. A good approximation would be 4 mm pitch, it is only 9 microns in error from calculated pitch and probably close enough.

          After all, worms are only in contact with the wheel over maybe 3 pitches and that degree of error is negligible in real terms..

          Regards

          Brian

          #160380
          Brian Wood
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            @brianwood45127

            Further thoughts Peter,

            Assuming you have an 8 tpi leadscrew, and you can set up the outside gearing for the constant pi (3.142) you can then use the gearbox as direct reading in DP,. ie 20 tpi becomes 20 DP. If your leadscrew is 4 tpi then the gearing should be halved and a leadscrew of 6 tpi would need similar factoring.by 1.333.

            An approximation would be using driver 55 to driven 35 ( pi divided by 2) and a second stage of driver twice the driven will give you the overall gearing ratio for pi.

            Again, the errors are small and probably negligible over limited engagement.

            I would check it out with a grazing cut before deeper cutting to confirm you are getting what you hope for!

            Regards Brian.

            #160384
            John Stevenson 1
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              @johnstevenson1

              44 on stud E

              54 on stud F

              35 on stud D

              Then anything on tumbler position B will change from TPI to DP

               

              Much as what Brian says above

              Edited By John Stevenson on 10/08/2014 17:11:25

              #160396
              Pete Berry
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                @peteberry

                Hi Brian,

                Thanks very much for the info I will put it to use as soon as poss. Its for the construction of a 60:1 dividing head.

                Regards

                Pete.

                #160397
                Pete Berry
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                  @peteberry

                  Hi John,

                  Thanks also for the info.

                  Regards

                  Pete.

                  #160439
                  Brian Wood
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                    @brianwood45127

                    Another thought Peter,

                    Staying with the pi divided by 2 approximation above , but ignoring the second multiplier stage, you could then set the gearbox to 10 tpi instead and still generate 20 DP.

                    It is the method Myford use for their gearbox ML7; the simplicity appeals to me and you have the entire range of the gearbox to make DP worms in all the other pitches as well if you were so minded..

                    Good luck in your contruction, a little different to the others using 40:1 gearing..

                    Best wishes Brian

                    #160446
                    Pete Berry
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                      @peteberry

                      Hi Brian,

                      I think I will use the pi divided by 2 method you suggest as this would be the best setup for me with the limited change wheels I have. I did think of using a worm of 4 mm pitch but the I think the error over 60 revolutions would be to great.

                      I am using a 60:1 ratio as I built a small dividing head years ago using a gear box from an old ICL line printer and I should be able to use the division plates I made for that.

                      As I am away from my workshop this week I cant try thinks out until next week!

                      Regard s

                      Pete.

                      #160448
                      Brian Wood
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                        @brianwood45127

                        Hello Peter,

                        The pi divided by 2 approach has the smaller error of 0.04% , over 50 turns it is a factor of 6 times more accurate than compared to a 4 mm pitch worm.

                        If you have the gears there are better approximations of pi than 22/7 which is what the 55/35 [ 11/7] gear ratio is based on.

                        I don't know what gears you have available, I could give you some better approximations with that information.

                        email me wood_y [at] btinternet.com all lower case, no spaces.

                        Regards Brian

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