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  • #15578
    Sub Mandrel
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      #91980
      Sub Mandrel
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        @submandrel

        Not really ME but…

        A little while ago my wife bought an LPG Zafira. It was a good deal, and had recently had new lambda sensor, cat and various other bits. It showed a slight tendency to 'surge'. This week it became severe hesitation and kangarooing.

        I tried lots of obvious remedies, and my wife took it to three garages for advice – only consistent advice was mixture problems. One chap commented he felt like he was following someone elses trail of tape and new jubilee clips

        In the end I noticed it got worse when I shoved my hand in amongst a mass of tubes and connectors. After a couple of false starts I discovered a mounting bolt that also secured four earth wires was completely loose! Instant cure, which has earned me a couple of bottles of 'Piddle in the Hole'..

        I wonder if the previous owner spent some £500 chasing this fault?

        Cheers,

        Neil

        #91998
        Jeff Dayman
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          @jeffdayman43397

          Bad ground connections can cause a lot of strange things to happen in cars, especially more modern ones with computers. Always a good idea to clean up and tighten the main ground connection and any local ones if there is trouble with electrical items.

          Surging is frequently caused by so called "throttle position sensors" acting up on modern cars. They provide the computer with a signal about the position of the air throttling butterfly valves in the inlet manifold. The sensors have an internal potentiometer and many have the follower/pickup arm shaped like a sharp V rather than a spoon as you would expect for a long life potentiometer. They look like they are designed to cut through the resistive material, I imagine it is done so you need a new one about 65000 km, just out of warranty for many cars here in North America. They cost over $100 here.

          JD

          #92002
          Jens Eirik Skogstad 1
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            @jenseirikskogstad1

            The common problems with ground connections on body where the moisture is there and where the road is salted against ice in winter and the ground connections on body will corrode by salt. The connections for electrical wiring where it comes moisture and salt in the car ant the connact pins will corrode.

            Use Tectyl rust protection "Bodysafe" on the ground connections on body and grease inside the connections for electrical wiring against moisture and salt. I am Peugeot car mechanic.

            #92023
            Sub Mandrel
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              @submandrel

              > I am Peugeot car mechanic.

              That must keep you busy then ;[)

              Neil

              #92025
              Peter G. Shaw
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                @peterg-shaw75338

                Oh Neil, that wasn't nice! The best car we have ever had was a Peugeot 405 tdi estate. Bought at 2 years old and kept for 10 years. Now fair enough, by the time it had got to 12 years old there were various bits of electrical junk which either did not work or did not work correctly, but the important stuff all worked satisfactorily.

                I don't know about you, but we don't need fog lights (one did not work), rev counter (intermittent), central locking (the key worked fine), heated rear window (ok, that one is a bit dubious I will admit, but when towing a caravan, the rear window is useless anyway), and so on – all niceties, but not essential. What actually killed it for us was when we were warned that the towbar was rusted to an unsafe degree.

                Now compare that with it's replacement – Focus 1.8tdci estate. How about new clutch at 56K miles (we are not boy racers), new engine at 59K (probably, because the repairing garage didn't waste money on investigating, due to oil seal failure on the turbo), manifold sensor, fuel filter, rear tyre life 17K (Michelin tyres.Pug did 45K+), front tyre life 19K (Michelin tyres, Pug did 29K). And we have only just got 70K on the clock.

                Frankly, if we had kept the Peugeot and spent a few hundred on a new towbar, we would have been probably £10k better off.

                Incidently, just to keep the record straight, the Pug did have an engine top end repair due to a porous cylinder head. Mind you, that was at 137K miles. But it's still better than the blasted Ford.

                Regards,

                Peter G. Shaw

                #92026
                John Stevenson 1
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                  @johnstevenson1

                  28 years of running Peugot's / Citreons in a commercial application.

                  In that time all it has cost us engine wise is one core plug, one head gasket, two radiators, 4 sets of heater plugs.

                  Things like brakes, exhausts, batteries, tyres, etc., I never count as these are consumables needed on any make of vehicle.

                  This based on 4 vehicles over a total milage of about 320,000 miles.

                  John S.

                  #92027
                  Jens Eirik Skogstad 1
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                    @jenseirikskogstad1

                    Peter G.

                    Some Peugeot 405 has problem with rear suspension (sloppy arm) due rust in needle bearing damaged by water, sloppy stabilizator bar due poor rubber fastening on traverse, oil leakage from engine/gear box and some time from servo steering power.In generally the 405 is good to drive on road.

                    #92033
                    Sub Mandrel
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                      I hope Jens forgive me, it was just too easy to make the joke – I used to drive works 405s some twenty years ago, as I was based amile from the Coventry plant. Always nice to drive, but unless they had a sunroof there wasn't enough headroom for me at 6' 2", which ought to fit most cars!

                      Most makes of car are a lot more reliable than they were twenty-thirty years ago, although the plethora of electronics makes home maintainence 'challenging'. But I would expect all the electrics to stillbe working at 10 years old.

                      The one make I would avoid is Rover – even though I work about five miles from Longbridge. After having a Honda Integra that went to 200,000 miles and was almost as good as new, I bought a low mileage Rover 400 which appeared largely identical. It blew up a gearbox and was an endless saga of minor and major problems. Sold it at 63,000 miles and bought a Vectra with 125,000 on the clock to get largely trouble-free motoring. I have found Vauxhalls much better than Fords at high mileages.

                      I can't say I was surprised when Rover went belly up.

                      Neil

                      P.S My wife has a Renault Trafic camper van, so we're not anti-french vehicles here!

                      #92036
                      Jens Eirik Skogstad 1
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                        @jenseirikskogstad1

                        Neil, all right..

                        I drove Vauxhall Ventora with 6 cylinder engine from 1969, seems the car was fast running. The engine was dirty by oil due poor cork gaskets around the engine. Funny car..

                        #92037
                        Peter G. Shaw
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                          @peterg-shaw75338

                          Over the years I have had, in order, plus comments:

                          A35 van. Rotbox, but otherwise reasonable.

                          Morris 1000 Traveller. Reasonable, but couldn't stand the work I gave it. (Put the rear springs through the floor and broke the engine steady cable.)

                          VW 1300 oldstyle Beetle. Good reliable car – except when trying to stop in snow & ice (don't ask) and problems when starting in foggy weather. Excellent tyre life.

                          VW Type 3 Fastback estate. Rotbox and suffered from VW's early attempts at pollution control.

                          2 x 1750 Maxis. Marvellous design let down by engineering. Next best thing to 4×4 in winter. Rotted a bit towards the end, rear butterfly's always a problem as was oil leaks onto clutch and hydrolastic suspension leaks but otherwise just about unburstable.

                          Montego 1.6L Estate. Bit of a rotbox towards end, but otherwise quite good. Didn't like snow.

                          Peugeot 405 1.9tdi Estate. Best car we have ever had. Ok, various non-essential problems, but really, if it hadn't been for the towbar we would have kept on running it.

                          Ford Focus 1.8tdci Estate. Worst car I've ever had. Harsh ride. Atrocious tyre life. Poor clutch life. Engine failure. Other odd problems. Currently struggling trying to decide why lights are so poor. Absolutely superb in the snow a couple of years ago. 1st and last Ford for me.

                          As John Stevenson says, there are certain things that have to be considered as expendable, eg tyres, servicing, batteries etc. I certainly don't count those against any car unless that particular car seems particularly bad.

                          Regards,

                          Peter G. Shaw

                          #92040
                          Clive Hartland
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                            @clivehartland94829

                            With Ford they suffer from earth return problems so its worth while undoing all the earth connections and cleaning them up and retightening. Some of the lights have their own earth wires.My list of cars is as follows,Opel Kapitan then a Triumph which I got rid of soonest and then another Opel Kapitan this one did 88000 in one year.SAAB 95 2 stroke ran like a sewing machine then a SAAB 96 with a V4 engine, great car.Went to BAOR with a tax free Ford Escort estate and brought it back and kept it for 12 years and sold it for more than I paid new.Bought another the same and ran that for 13 years and then got a 2.5 Granada diesel and ran that for 12 years.Now I run a Volkswagen Passat est 1.9 and its also 12 years old.I do all my own repairs and servicing.

                            Clive

                            #92061
                            Springbok
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                              Hi

                              Purchased a Citroen top of the range for my sales manager well that is what he wanted 3 weeks later parked opens the door and the inside door liner fell on the ground. Ah well . Me I just stuck to good old Brit cars all staff thought it was amuseing. But now well retired some still come up to me and say do you still have….

                              Have a lovely bank holl's everyone

                              Bob

                              #92263
                              Sub Mandrel
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                                @submandrel

                                Morris Marina – £30 in 1987 (I was late starter) written offf by a twerp in a Cortina a few days after he passed his test going too fast down a single track road. Cortina managed tio drive away…

                                So Mk V Cortina estate. Lasted ages, replaced auto choke with manual but never happy – fixed VV carb with paperclip in the wilds of western Scotland and managed to circumnavigate thee country. Then swappwed in Weber twin-venturi carb from a 2-litre ford transit. Ate petrol , but with the lower rear diff ratio was the fastest thing up to 30mph in Coventry

                                Swapped to an Opel manta for no good reason, in mint condition, joined OMEC and ran up nearly 200K miles before I lost a gear and I sold it on. At this time met wife and she bought an old-style Astra GTE without knowing what it was. Absolutely the best drive of any car I've ever driven – stuck to the road like glue.

                                Mazda RX7 – ok you've got to do something like that ONCE in your life. It was cheap and in poor confdition under the alloy bodyshell. The pre-turbo version it stlll went – a poor man's supercar. The over-rev bleeper scared the c**p out of people, especially as there was barely any engine noise, just whooooosh! I didn't now the bonnet catch was dodgy and the bonnet wrapped as I hit 80 pulling on to the M27 with three passengers. Managed to stop safely, but had flashbacks of the view going black for months. Never forgiven the Volvo driver who played silly b***rs and wouldn't let me pull across to the slow lane! Insurance covered the purchase cost (phew!)

                                Honda Integra – best car I've ever owned. Minimal fuel bills, but 139 full-value HP with no flat spot when you wanted them from just 1.6 litres. And that was a pre-variable valve timing engine. Part-exchanged at ~200k when 5th gear disappeared, but still felt new!

                                Ford Mondeo – Fords answer to the integra? 2 litres instead of 1.6 for the same 139HP,but drove rather like a Land Rover crew cab, heavy and ponderous, but unlike the Land Rover, with no character at all. rear ended by a lorry load of scaffolding poles when completely stationery waiting at a junction.

                                Rover 200. After much misery gotten rid of at 63,000.

                                Vauxhall Vectra duel fuel – inspired by my wifes succesful experiences of vectras, astras and a cavalier. She now has a DF Zafira, and until recently we had three DF vectras in the family. They appears to routinely reach well over 200K without major problems.

                                Thinking about something new – for when I can afford it!

                                Other cars in the family are our ancient Trafic Camper, and its predecessor, an even more ancient Bedford Camper. Ford Orion which was surprisingly good. the boys have had various sensible things (and onece wes had a Subaru, fortunately not blue with gold wheels).

                                On Monday I'm loaning work's Mercedes 500 Sprinter – battleship sized and hugely expensive at every MOT, but built out of boiler plate!

                                But British cars pre-1980? basically rust held together by odd-sized bolts. Including those poor Maxis dragging their sagging hydro-elastic bottoms along the road.

                                Neil

                                #92281
                                Mike
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                                  @mike89748

                                  After 54 years of motoring and 17 cars I will not bore you with the lot. Best was a Peugeot 309 Turbo Diesel – total reliability, good performance, and the only spares needed in 140,000 miles were one radiator and one brake servo vacuum pump. Absolute worst was a Mini Clubman estate car, bought during the 1970s. Dismal performance, constantly rattling rear doors, and red rust all over the bodywork in less than a year. Traded it in for a Fiat 127, which was brilliant.

                                  #92291
                                  Russell Eberhardt
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                                    But British cars pre-1980? basically rust held together by odd-sized bolts.

                                    I must disagree with that. Although my first British car, a 1937 Austin Ruby, was unreliable that was mostly down to my inexperience. My most reliable car was a 1927 Morris Cowley which I ran for over 20 years with the only breakdown being due to my young daughter tidying the garage and putting sawdust in the petrol tank! Other carsincluded Austin Frazer Nash and Talbot (not sunbeam Talbot) 90. My first postwar car, a Ford Escort estate was however a rust bucket.

                                    Russell.

                                    #92295
                                    John McNamara
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                                      @johnmcnamara74883

                                      Hi All

                                      Second hand 57 Chrysler Royale yes V8 but at that time a pound would nearly fill it with petrol. No trouble except for 2 diffs caused by heavy foot syndrome! cured me of that disease….

                                      Then petrol got expensive… well I thought so at the time so it had to go.

                                      A New lunch box MK 2 Ford Cortina 2 door it was light and the 1600 cross flow made it pretty quick. I could change the clutch in a couple of hours, and the brakes in even less I drove it for about 8 years No trouble. Then I was over small cars for a while.

                                      Then a 1971 Dodge Phoenix 383 cubic inch V8 it was big and heavy not ideal around town but on the open road it was a dream like riding on a 2 ton+ magic carpet… I bought it with high mileage and ran it for about ten years it was heavy on fuel but surprisingly repairs were mainly brakes and a transmission overhaul. I wish I kept it for a weekend car.

                                      Then a New Japanese built Toyota corona hatch. I got married and the Dodge had to go common sense and all that. We drove it for 15 years then got a Volvo 940 as well. After 30 years I gave the old Toyota to a friend early this year. What a fantastic car it was…Yes it is tired now but what a run by far the cheapest car to maintain I have owned. The 940 is showing its age now so looking for something else…. Maybe something that Purr's as a weekend driver if I can find a good pre loved one. It must be an age and stage thing LOL

                                      Cheers

                                      John

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