Drilling hole of 0.0310″ with deepth 0.91″ of AISI 304L

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Drilling hole of 0.0310″ with deepth 0.91″ of AISI 304L

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1 December 2011 at 14:06 #79003
Junid Lelawe
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@junidlelawe35286
Hello,
I need your help for drilling AISI 304L.
The holes diameter is 0.0310″ ± 0.0030″ and the holes depth is about 0.9100″.
I found a tool of Walter which has a spiral length of 0.98″ and total length of 1.81″.
Walter catalog number is A1511-0.8
The questions are:
1. Is it possible to make this hole using Walter tool?
2. What is the cutting data I should use?
3. What is the machining strategy?
4. Should I use more tools with different diameters in order to get this hole?
Thanks
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1 December 2011 at 14:06 #15546
Junid Lelawe
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1 December 2011 at 14:35 #79005
David Littlewood
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@davidlittlewood51847
Junid,

You may find this company’s website useful:

http://www.drill-service.co.uk/

They do micro drilling down to 0.05 mm, and sell a variety of drill bits (and other tooling) as good as I have seen anywhere. Their mail order service is very good.

David
1 December 2011 at 16:36 #79006
JasonB
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Edited By JasonB on 01/12/2011 16:37:07
1 December 2011 at 19:52 #79023
Jeff Dayman
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Junid,

What model are you making that requires the .031 holes .98 deep in stainless?

Are you doing this in your home workshop?

You will need a drill press or mill with very high speed.

JD
1 December 2011 at 20:47 #79029
Sub Mandrel
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@submandrel
In almost any other material I would use a new 1/32″ hss drill and expect to get an acceptable result.

Stainless=all bets off

Neil
2 December 2011 at 00:27 #79043
chris stephens
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Hi JD,

Beg to differ, I have drilled 0.8mm holes in, if I remember correctly, Silver Steel but may have been MS at 800RPM which was the top speed on my lathe. High speed when drilling is not quite as important as some may think.

chriStephens
2 December 2011 at 01:06 #79044
David Littlewood
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With very small drills the recommended speed for drilling actually decreases. This is because the very flimsy drill is likely to flex, and at high speeds can actually break. You do of course have to decrease the feed rate accordingly.

David
2 December 2011 at 10:15 #79066
Anonymous
Posted by David Littlewood on 02/12/2011 01:06:31:

With very small drills the recommended speed for drilling actually decreases. This is because the very flimsy drill is likely to flex, and at high speeds can actually break. You do of course have to decrease the feed rate accordingly.

David

Err, so how do CNC drill machines for PCBs get away with running small drills at 100,000rpm? As an example my standard signal via is 0.3mm finished, so drill with a 0.31mm drill.

Regards,

Andrew

PS: I expect that the OP could achieve what he wants, but he might break a few drills in the process. If he has more than a few holes to do he’d be better off finding some-one who can EDM the holes.
2 December 2011 at 10:16 #79067
Ian S C
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For stainless, and that size hole 5000 would be about max rpm, 1000 rpm would be quite OK. You must keep the drill cutting when its in contact with the metal.Initial cut, about 3 dias, 2nd 2 dias, after that just a few thou a time, and withdraw the bit completely each time, its going to take a while to get through. If its a through hole, place a bit of steel under it, and drill into that, it will prevent the drill catching, and breaking as it exits. The drill must run concentricly, or you will break the drill. Was looking at another site, someone said,”you can buy holes down to .005″, you drill the initial hole 1/16″, then press the inserted hole into the drilled hole”. Ian S C
2 December 2011 at 11:01 #79071
David Clark 13
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@davidclark13
Hi Andrew

How do they get away with running at 360,000.

That was the speed of the drilling spindles we were making.

Thye were working on a 500,000 RPM version when I left the company.

regards David
2 December 2011 at 12:55 #79075
Jeff Dayman
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I was holding back a little on the details of drilling these holes. The original poster’s tone and questions are similar to many enquiries I’ve seen from southeast asia to professional machining forums.

If the OP is making a hobby enquiry for a model or tool and shares details about what it is, I am glad to help.

If the enquiry is to help train aerospace machinists or weapons specialists in foreign countries – not willing to help.

The hole specs (small dia very deep, in stainless) seem strange for a model, the kind of thing to be avoided in hobby work. However I’ve seen lots of holes like that, some even smaller and deeper, in aero and some weapons parts.

Just a little cautious is all – hope the OP clears up what he is doing.

JD
2 December 2011 at 14:49 #79081
Richard Parsons
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Jeff

I sympathise with you. Back in the U.K I started to make models of the weapons of the British army in 1/10 scale. Ok I made the Baker rifle of the early pattern bore 1/16” 3.2” long. The New land service musket had a bore of 0.075” by 4.2”deep. The Brunswick is unfinished because Hungarians chopped up my block of Lime wood for kindling even though it was locked in my shed. I chickened out at the. 577 Enfield (long land service model) where the bore is 0.058”dia and the length is 4.8 to 5”. How I did it on a Myford is my secret.

By the way the OP does not say what hole is to be in.
2 December 2011 at 15:42 #79084
David Littlewood
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Andrew,

We may be talking about two different things. High speed micro drilling requires a machine with very precise bearings, and a TIR of less than 0.0001″, and which can control the downfeed to avoid bending the drill (which would cause it, at those speeds, to tie itself in knots) … but not too slow such that it work-hardens the metal. Feeds around 1 micron per revolution, and automatic peck-drilling to remove swarf.

For the majority of us, using a standard drilling or milling machine, with no special bearings and hand feeds, the recommendation (and it came from a maker of micro drills) is that maximum speed should go up to 20k at 1 mm, and reduce below that, slowly at first but quite quickly below 0.5 mm. My drilling is done on a milling machine with a top speed of 2,000 rpm, so I don’t have to worry about it – just use top speed, but if you have a high spped drill it may be worth checking the position.

David
2 December 2011 at 15:46 #79085
Donald Wittmann
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Junid,

304 ss is terrible stuff ,could you not substitute it for 303? even 316 is better than 304. That type is really a swine to machine. I have turned it many times over the years and have yet to hear of anybody who likes the stuff. I would be interested to know what properties of 304 is required for your model.

Ps Walter/Titex are amongst the finest cutting tools available expensive but first rate gear.

Donald.
2 December 2011 at 16:43 #79087
Jeff Dayman
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Richard Parsons said:

“By the way the OP does not say what hole is to be in. “

Yes that is right Richard, and that is my point – until we do know if this is a model or home shop job, I’m cautious about offering too much detail.

JD
2 December 2011 at 19:47 #79105
Sub Mandrel
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@submandrel
A colleague of mine had a friend who worked for a British engineering company.

One day his team recieved a sample ‘the finest tubing in the world’ from a rival American company.

Apparently they sent it back, with a sample of their own tubing threaded through it.

Neil

Edited By Stub Mandrel on 02/12/2011 19:48:37
2 December 2011 at 20:14 #79111
Anthony Knights
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@anthonyknights16741
I dont know what the material you are talking about is like but there are solid tungsten carbide drill bits (for drilling PCBs) available close to the sizes you are talking about.
4 December 2011 at 08:47 #79167
Junid Lelawe
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@junidlelawe35286
Hi,

This tube is for picking and placing tool for the semiconductor industry. It picks up chips and dies and then places them.

Today we make this tool from two pieces because there is a hole of 0.0310″ in one side, and a hole of 0.0080″ in the other side.

We buy a part with through hole of 0.0310″ and brazing this part with the other part (which hasn’t a hole) and then making the hole of 0.0080″.

We want to make this tool from one piece so I have to drill the 0.0310″ and then drill the 0.0080″ from the other side.

The material and the holes sizes are according to customer request and can’t be changed.

I have a Schublin turning machine with 4000 rpm max.

For more information about our company- mpptools.com

thanks
4 December 2011 at 10:10 #79169
NJH
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@njh
Well Jeff

It seem that you have this right – the information IS for commercial application. If the OP has gained useful information from this thread then maybe mpptools would like to make a donation to a suitable UK charity – at a rate suitable for the employment of 10 consultants!

Regards

Norman
4 December 2011 at 11:32 #79172
Richard Parsons
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@richardparsons61721
Junid

From our collective replies you should be able to identify those who can solve your problem. May be you should use the private mail system to communicate with such people. Do not include me my methods are far too slow and clumsey.
Rdgs

Dick
4 December 2011 at 13:45 #79182
Jeff Dayman
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@jeffdayman43397
Junid,

Please do not include me in private messages either, I participate in this forum as a hobby activity only, and will not assist commercial activities.

To the editor – suggest this thread be locked as it is a commercial enquiry.

JD
4 December 2011 at 13:58 #79184
blowlamp
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@blowlamp
Many hobbyists are keen to learn from commercial practice so why not the other way around?

The original poster needs some help, has made a valid enquiry, and seems to have been honest about his intent.

I can’t help him with this, but I hope someone can (and will), so that he might feed back his experience for us all to profit by.

Martin.
4 December 2011 at 14:27 #79189
David Littlewood
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@davidlittlewood51847
I agree with Martin. However, the task as last described sounds rather harder than first set out; a hole of 0.008″ (about 0.2 mm) at the bottom of, and to be concentric with, a relatively deep hole of 0.030″, that’s specialist stuff. Given this is likely to be a high value, low volume requirement, the most satisfactory route is IMO most likely to be to sub out the job to a specialist micro-drilling service. The one I quoted above seem to do specialist micro drilling jobs, and there are others out there. It is extremely unlikely any amateur would be able to do this, at least without a frankly unreasonable amount of R&D.

David
4 December 2011 at 15:45 #79190
Donald Wittmann
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@donaldwittmann92536
Well said blowlamp, I just hope some hobbyists on here have to ask a professional [in whatever field] for some advice, and then get told in no uncertain terms exactly where to go.

I was not much use to the guy having never drilled such a small hole, I only enquired if he could substitute the 304ss but if I could have helped then I would have, it matters not one bit to me.

Maybe he would have been better served if he had asked his question on a professional forum.

Donald.
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