First steps with a Shapeoko router table

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First steps with a Shapeoko router table

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  • #15349
    John Hinkley
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      @johnhinkley26699

      A mostly pictorial account of the set-up and intial use of aCNC router table.

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      #540765
      John Hinkley
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        @johnhinkley26699

        As mentioned elsewhere, I have been fortunate to have taken delivery of a Shapeoko 3 router table. This thread is intended to give some idea of the trials and tribulations of a toe-dipper into CNC machining. So, off we go ……

        Where it is going to sit

        First job was to make some room in my workshop (a single garage of UK dimensions) The pantograph engraving machine was relocated to a temporary home on the bench until it goes to a new home, once it's sold. I had an off-cut of worktop on which mounting the router. It just fits the available space.

        The box of goodies

        The box in the first photograph contains all the goodies, well-wrapped and labelled.

        Stage one - the base

        The base and front and rear plates assembled. All the screws are left lightly snugged up until construction is completed and final alignment checks have been done.

        About three quarters completed

        End of day one's efforts. The X-axis and Y-axis rails are mounted with the Z-axis motion plate on the X-axis rail. The side rails impart a lot of torsional stiffness to the whole machine. It is certainly not a flimsy "toy" machine and I'm anticipating making some interesting parts with it.

        Updates coming as and when. Construction will be finished tomorrow, then I've got to try to connect it to my ancient laptop to see if it works! Such fun!!

        John

        #540766
        JasonB
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          @jasonb

          Looking good so far, did you end up having to pay the VAT & Duty?

          #540777
          John Hinkley
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            @johnhinkley26699

            Jason,

            I made enquiries of Fedex, the couriers, as the driver left no paperwork when he dropped it off yesterday, and they said that I would receive the invoice by post in the next 7 days. They gave me no indication of the likely cost, but HMRC have confirmed that I am liable for the import duty and VAT. Fedex obviously have a handling charge to be levied as well. Time to raid the piggy-bank methinks!

            John

            #540779
            Pete.
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              @pete-2

              That's a pretty impressive looking bit of kit, what materials can be machined on this?

              As I'm still planted firmly in the Victorian era of technology, I might buy your old engraving machine if it would fit on my workbench, could you give me a rough idea of dimensions please?

              #540780
              DiogenesII
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                @diogenesii

                It's a pretty substantial-looking piece of machinery, I watch with interest.. ..and maybe a little envy – looks like fun..

                #540787
                not done it yet
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                  @notdoneityet

                  but HMRC have confirmed that I am liable for the import duty and VAT.

                  In that case it should be ex-VAT from wherever in Europe?

                  #540800
                  Michael Gilligan
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                    @michaelgilligan61133
                    Posted by not done it yet on 20/04/2021 22:05:19:

                    but HMRC have confirmed that I am liable for the import duty and VAT.

                    In that case it should be ex-VAT from wherever in Europe?

                    .

                    Why do you assume Europe as the source ?

                    MichaelG.

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                    Edited By Michael Gilligan on 20/04/2021 23:03:39

                    #540804
                    Michael Briggs
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                      @michaelbriggs82422

                      John H,

                      I recently purchased a Multifix set from PeWeTools Germany. Slightly different to your experience in that the initial courier was DHL then passed on to Parcelforce who charge £12 handling for an import. Then held by Parcelforce until I paid 2.5% duty and 20% vat levied by our friends at HMRC, delivery was next day after payment was made.

                      Michael

                      Edited By Michael Briggs on 20/04/2021 23:43:42

                      #540805
                      Ady1
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                        @ady1

                        If possible can you give us a video of your new toy in action

                        Best of luck

                        #540831
                        John Hinkley
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                          @johnhinkley26699

                          To address the questions as they arise:

                          Pete. The manufacturers appear to have aimed it at the woodworking fraternity, but of course it will tackle plastics and the like, aluminium and has also been demonstrated on YouTube to be capable of machining cold-rolled steel and even stainless steel. The engraving machine's foot print is 43cm wide by 53cm deep.

                          ndiy. The machine was imported from the USA. Hence the requirement to pay import duty.

                          Michael Briggs. DHL/Parcelforce must have a different invoicing strategy to Fedex. However, now that I come to think about it, in order to fulfil the delivery timescale, Fedex would have had to get the money by some means and all they had was my address, i.e. neither phone number nor email address as far as I'm aware, as the senders didn't have that information, either.

                          And finally,

                          Ady1. I hope to put a video or two up on my YouTube channel once the router is up and running, though my priority is is getting it working satisfactorily. You won't have to fast forward through endless shots of me screwing bits together. As anyone who has watched any of my videos will know, I'm so keen to progress with the projects, I sometimes forget to switch the camera (phone) on! I've even been known to talk over a particular machining procedure, only to find that instead of a video, I had the camera on photo, not video and it had taken a still shot!

                          Watch this space.

                          John

                          #540835
                          not done it yet
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                            @notdoneityet

                            ndiy. The machine was imported from the USA. Hence the requirement to pay import duty

                            I was referring to VAT. Import tax is a different matter. The US, I believe, have differing state taxes and federal taxes to be added when purchasing. I know that Ca has GST and HST. Until we left the EU, VAT was only payable once- although a different rates in some cases.

                            #540840
                            John Hinkley
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                              @johnhinkley26699

                              Ndiy. I don't pretend to understand taxes applying to various countries. If I get a bill from Fedex, I assume they know what they're doing and I'll pay it.

                              I would prefer this thread to be about the machine rather than sliding off down another rabbit hole, but thanks for trying to explain it.

                              John

                              #540847
                              Michael Gilligan
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                                @michaelgilligan61133
                                Posted by John Hinkley on 21/04/2021 09:17:00:

                                .

                                I would prefer this thread to be about the machine […]

                                .

                                Thanks … I will be following it with great interest

                                MichaelG.

                                #540902
                                John Hinkley
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                                  @johnhinkley26699

                                  A little more progress today. Taking it slowly so as not to make (m)any mistakes!

                                  Finished off the wiring and after the shot below was taken, found a cable-tidy lying in a drawer, so used that to smarten things up a bit – though it won't show, but I know it's there.

                                  wiring complete - from the back.jpg

                                  This is from the rear. I assure you it looks neater now.

                                  Everything squared up and tightened, rotated 180° ready to test and the DeWalt router mounted ……..

                                  all dressed up and nowhere to go.jpg

                                  Then I realised that the power supply had a U.S.A. plug on it and no spare ones in the house. Never mind, I'll pick one up at Tesco's tomorrow. In the meantime the laptop is getting a charge, so with a bit of luck, a short video might be on the cards tomorrow – with or without smoke, you'll just have to wait and see.

                                  I think that I'm going to get some MDF to make a new waste board to protect the base board. I'll use the router to drill a grid pattern of holes to accept some 6mm threaded inserts to aid workholding.

                                  I have been fiddling about with a double-tapered sleeve and ER11 nut re-threading arrangement in order to utilise a selection of metric end mills, but I've abandoned that idea through lack of accuracy and a better idea:

                                  I have purchased a genuine DeWalt 8mm collet and nut to replace the standard ¼" one that rather restricts the end mills one can use. Instead, I have an ER11 collet chuck with an 8mm straight shank which I'm going to shorten and that will fit in the 8mm collet and allow the use of cutters in the ER11 range of sizes – up to 7mmØ – 8mm collet for the next one up. I just hope that there won't be too much "stick-out". The machine is supplied with a ¼" end mill, so I can start on some wood for the first exercise. Next episode will not be for a couple of days, I guess, by which time I would hope to have sourced some MDF sheet.

                                  John

                                  #540944
                                  drum maker
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                                    @drummaker82202

                                    welcome to the club, i bought my XXL shapeoko in 2018, its a cracking bit of kit, i use mine pretty much only for wood work so far, cutting plywood & MDF templates for my work on musical drums.

                                    one day i will try it on metal im sure but right now its pretty busy most days in my business.

                                    if i can offer any advice at all is buy some ferrite cores and put them on every single cable, the major issue most people get is electrical interferance, pop a few of those guys round the machine & it solves it pretty quick.

                                    #540951
                                    drum maker
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                                      @drummaker82202
                                      Posted by John Hinkley on 21/04/2021 09:17:00:

                                      Ndiy. I don't pretend to understand taxes applying to various countries. If I get a bill from Fedex, I assume they know what they're doing and I'll pay it.

                                      I would prefer this thread to be about the machine rather than sliding off down another rabbit hole, but thanks for trying to explain it.

                                      John

                                      VAT is simply due on all goods of value entering the UK, you dont pay it in the USA (you dont pay their sales taxes ether as its an export) so its due on your machine.

                                      have worked in manufacturing import & export for 20 years, we move musical instruments across the globe & i have also imported most of my machinery including my shapoko….i deal with most countries including the USA & all of europe…. if you need help with anything or clarification of the bill/charges me know… there are 2 ways your bill could be calculated..

                                      #540952
                                      John Hinkley
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                                        @johnhinkley26699

                                        "Drum maker". Thanks for the offers of help. I'll let you know if I need any pointers. The build instructions do warn of the possibility of emf interference and their suggestion is to make stand-offs with cable ties to hold the router mains cable away from the other cable bunches. Which I've done. I've got some ferrite cores on a "watch list" on eBay, just in case.

                                        John

                                        #540975
                                        drum maker
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                                          @drummaker82202
                                          Posted by John Hinkley on 21/04/2021 21:58:42:

                                          "Drum maker". Thanks for the offers of help. I'll let you know if I need any pointers. The build instructions do warn of the possibility of emf interference and their suggestion is to make stand-offs with cable ties to hold the router mains cable away from the other cable bunches. Which I've done. I've got some ferrite cores on a "watch list" on eBay, just in case.

                                          John

                                          yes thats one method that works for some on the groups, it didn't offer us much help, the conclusion was the issue being our router was on the same mains circuit as the machine & the computer we run it from… so we added ferrite to everything we could & we have not had any issues since.

                                          #541005
                                          John Haine
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                                            @johnhaine32865

                                            John, if you can get some I recommend you use "Valchromat" for the waste board. It is a superior version of MDF that uses melamine rather than formaldehyde resin. It's harder, stronger is normally supplied in dyed colours for furniture making or construction, doesn't produce nearly such hazardous dust, and is much kinder to cutters. Google to find suppliers – I was able to get an 8×4 sheet for very little that had been in a showroom and faded in the sun. There are suppliers that have CNC cutters to machine boards to set sizes, they may well have offcuts that would suit your needs. Also if you make a tapping sized hole in it it will take a stud or bolt without needing to cut a thread – make a slight countersink to stop it bulging upwards around the fastener if necessary. No need for inserts!

                                            #541009
                                            John Hinkley
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                                              @johnhinkley26699

                                              Thanks, John, that's useful to know. I'll have a yellow page search later to try to find a local furniture makers. If not, The B & Q warehouse depot often has off-cuts of MDF in the foyer for a small donation to a charity. I really don't want to be buying a massive sheet, just for a small square. Too late to stop the insert purchase – already on their way, hotly pursued by some ferrite cores!

                                              John

                                              #541024
                                              John Haine
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                                                @johnhaine32865

                                                I got my big sheet from:

                                                **LINK**

                                                They are between Bristol & Bath, I collected it.

                                                These people:

                                                **LINK**

                                                are in Chigwell and cut to size though I don't think they are a stockist as such – but they can obtain it and cut to spec on a CNC router. They supplied a whole cut panel for a clock case I made. They could be a source of offcuts. I suggest a Googe search for Valchromat UK to find stockists who may be able to help – if they cut to spec they may well have offcuts that otherwise go for scrap.

                                                #541029
                                                Mark Easingwood
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                                                  @markeasingwood33578

                                                  If you are anywhere near Driffield in East Yorkshire I can fix you up with Some MDF, from my Joinery Manufacturing Business. Usually plenty of offcuts around.

                                                  Mark.

                                                  #541044
                                                  John Hinkley
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                                                    @johnhinkley26699

                                                    John and Mark,

                                                    Many thanks for your generous offers and info. Having got the router table into a working condition, I'm going to get some MDF from the local Wickes – just to get me started as I only need a piece about 50cm square.

                                                    As promised, I made a video and it's live on my YouTube channel. You can see how I got on by clicking here.

                                                    Warning: contains mistakes as well as the eventual success!

                                                    Enjoy!

                                                    John

                                                     

                                                    Edited By JasonB on 23/04/2021 17:27:47

                                                    #541240
                                                    John Hinkley
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                                                      @johnhinkley26699

                                                      More progress today, in as much as I went to B & Q and bought some MDF and shelf brackets as part of the drive to make the installation look more aesthetically pleasing. I solved the lack of headroom problem above the router table by the simple expedient of folding up the feet on the Workmate. The result is the whole thing sits about 12cm lower and by putting a shelf above, the power supplies and laptop can be accommodated close to the machine.

                                                      Neater finish to the wiring

                                                      Made the wiring a little neater by gathering pairs together and wrapping them in a cable tidy. Time will tell if that was a "neat" idea with respect to induced interference.

                                                      ER11 collet in dewalt 8mm one

                                                      While I was at it, I reduced the length of the ER11 collet chuck shank to fit in the DeWalt 8mm collet and mounted it on the router. It reduces the vertical clearance a little, but, a) I can get some, if not all of it back by raising the router in the clamp and b) I have a greater choice of end mills and drills to use while retaining the standard ¼" collet and of course the 8mm one for larger jobs.

                                                      I have cut a piece of the MDF for a wasteboard and have some inserts on order, so when they come, I'll try out a bit of gcode to drill the pattern of holes in that. Before I do, though, there is a simple program that I can run to "prove" the system works. It involves tie-wrapping a permanent marker to the router and using the machine to make a test drawing on a sheet of A4 paper. I'll let you know how that goes.

                                                      That's all for now. Probably be next week before the next instalment appears.

                                                      John

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