8 mm HTD Pulleys

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8 mm HTD Pulleys

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    James Owens
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      I have started to convert my Bridgeport clone to CNC starting with the X axis. have ballscrews for X,Y and quill Z. My question is what is the groove size for an 8 mm HTD pulley. I know it is somewhere around 5 mm.

      I could use the 5 mm HTD pulleys in which case the groove diameter would be 1/8". Would 5 mm belts stand up to the stess of moving such a large table? I intend also driving the knee through a worm/wheel gearbox of about 15:1 reduction with an air-ram to take some of the weight.

      I have treadmill motors bought a long time ago from the USA and also encoders to fit to them.

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      James Owens
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        #133827
        John Stevenson 1
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          5.14mm dia.

          #133877
          James Owens
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            Thank you John. That would be 0.2", as far as I know no such cutter/drill exists so it looks like I'll be manufacturing one from silver steel – it will probably be a flycutter.

            Would a 5mm x 30 mm HTD belt do the job, the cutter for making those pulleys is 1/8"?

             

             

            Edited By James Owens on 27/10/2013 18:18:14

            #133880
            JasonB
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              13/64" ?

              #133971
              Ian P
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                Posted by James Owens on 27/10/2013 13:13:50:

                I have started to convert my Bridgeport clone to CNC starting with the X axis. have ballscrews for X,Y and quill Z. My question is what is the groove size for an 8 mm HTD pulley. I know it is somewhere around 5 mm.

                I could use the 5 mm HTD pulleys in which case the groove diameter would be 1/8". Would 5 mm belts stand up to the stess of moving such a large table? I intend also driving the knee through a worm/wheel gearbox of about 15:1 reduction with an air-ram to take some of the weight.

                I have treadmill motors bought a long time ago from the USA and also encoders to fit to them.

                Presumably you are talking about 8mm pitch rather than 8mm wide belts?

                5mm pitch will stand up to the stress as long as the belt is wide enough. You would need to consult the manufacturers data unless you play safe and just use one that is twice as wide as the smallest pulley diameter, plus 34%.

                I have looked in a belt catalogue and I still cannot fathom out what the 5mm groove diameter you are referring to.

                I don't know anything about treadmill motors but if they are designed to be used with encoders than maybe you can just direct drive and avoid belts altogether.

                Ian P

                #133981
                JasonB
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                  Ian, if you were machining your own pully the grooves in the pully to take the teeth would need to be 5.14mm dia for an 8mm pitch belt, thats where the 5mm ish size comes from. They can be made in teh home workshop by drilling a series of holes on a suitable PCD and then machining away to reduce the dia leaving semicircular grooves

                  #133996
                  Michael Gilligan
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                    James,

                    It's worth refering to this guide, by Gates, before deciding exactly which combination of Belt and Sprocket to use.

                    [Sprocket is their term, although we usually say Pulley]

                    MichaelG.

                    #134032
                    simondavies3
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                      James,

                      I have found this comprehensive document to be useful – and it has some useful tables of nominal dimensions, centre distance calculators, belt profiles and loads more as well.

                      Simon

                      #134035
                      Michael Gilligan
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                        Well- found, Simon !!

                        MichaelG.

                        #134038
                        Douglas Johnston
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                          I would have thought you could get away with using a 5mm cutter provided you slightly rounded the sharp edges, or even index round a second time with an adjustment of 0.14mm.

                          Doug

                          #134054
                          James Owens
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                            Thank you for the replies. I have found out that a 5 mm HTD x 25 mm wide belt should be well within the the power rating, so my miller will be getting those and not the 8 mm HTD belts. My reasoning is that the pulleys are cheaper to buy and more available and, more likely, easier to manufacture – as they only require an 1/8" ball nosed cutter.

                            I will be using the 8 mm HTD pulleys I bought on another machine at a later date but will use most of Doug's suggestion by using a 5mm ball nosed cutter and doing 3 passes, one down the middle of the tooth and then off-set each side with another pass taking off 0.07mm. It will be interesting to see if it works, I'll draw it up in CAD first though so I get the depth right.

                            James

                            Edited By James Owens on 29/10/2013 14:48:03

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