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  • #644116
    old mart
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      @oldmart

      Can anybody tell me what the thread pitch, size and length of an imperial Myford cross slide leadscrew is? I am interested in the longest available length of thread.

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      #14827
      old mart
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        #644117
        bernard towers
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          @bernardtowers37738

          Which Myford and which crosslide?

          #644119
          old mart
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            @oldmart

            Probably a later type like the Super 7 with an imperial thread, and with the longest length of thread available.

            #644120
            DiogenesII
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              @diogenesii

              Think they were all 3/8 x 10tpi. The longest one will prob be for a 'pre-power cross feed' S7, but others may know better, I'm prepared to be corrected.

              #644122
              DiogenesII
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                @diogenesii

                I think the long slide has a travel of 6 or 7 inches?

                ..so I 'd guess the thread length ain't going to be hugely generous..

                #644136
                not done it yet
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                  @notdoneityet

                  I looked on the internet. About the first hit for ACME was this. Any good? Long enough?

                  Simple search

                  #644166
                  Martin Kyte
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                    @martinkyte99762

                    Well it has to be 10 tpi as the micrometer is graduated 0.1” full rotation.

                    regards Martin

                    #644167
                    Mike Poole
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                      @mikepoole82104

                      The ML7 and ML7R both had the long cross slide as an option so those are probably the longest. The Super 7 had quite a long slide as standard but the power cross feed version is a different again but probably a similar length. Lengths of suitable threaded rod are available but will need work to turn them into a complete feed screw.

                      Mike

                      Edited By Mike Poole on 06/05/2023 12:39:40

                      #644211
                      DiogenesII
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                        @diogenesii

                        Standard ML7 'screw threaded portion is 5 1/2 inches long.

                        Bradley says the long slide was (physically) 1 5/8" longer, but I don't know if this equates to the same amount of extra travel/screw length.

                        Edited By DiogenesII on 06/05/2023 18:22:10

                        Edited By DiogenesII on 06/05/2023 18:22:27

                        #644310
                        old mart
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                          @oldmart

                          Thanks, the 10tpi was what I had hoped, and the link from NDIY is interesting. I generally avoid ebay USA sellers because of the postage and possible duty payable. I suppose the duty would not be payable on the carriage rates. The Atlas 12 x 24 will be staying at the museum because the powers that be got cold feet in case the old Smart & Brown dies with no backup lathe. So I would like to make a new cross slide leadscrew for it. The existing one is 1/2" x 10 LH ACME and because of slightly uneven wear in the leadscrew threads, my antibacklash solution has to be spring loaded. This comprises a new nut combined with the old worn one with a spring between them. Because of the length of both nuts and the fairly short length of thread on the leadscrew, one of the nuts runs of the end of the thread in both directions. Even with a perfect unworn leadscrew, the antibacklash would still have this shortcoming. A new leadscrew could have more thread at each end and still work. The Atlas design of cross slide also leaves much to be desired because of its shortness, If I made a replacement, it would be 2" longer.

                          Update, I have taken a chance and ordered 24" which includes one nut, total cost £ 44, I hope.

                           

                          Edited By old mart on 07/05/2023 19:09:50

                          #644312
                          DiogenesII
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                            @diogenesii

                            Sounds like a bargain – let us know how it goes.

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                            Anonymous
                              Posted by old mart on 07/05/2023 18:58:06:

                              . I generally avoid ebay USA sellers because of the postage and possible duty payable. I suppose the duty would not be payable on the carriage rates.

                              …. but taxes might.

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                              DiogenesII
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                                #644318
                                martin haysom
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                                  Posted by Peter Greene 🇨🇦 on 07/05/2023 19:34:04:

                                  Posted by old mart on 07/05/2023 18:58:06:

                                  . I generally avoid ebay USA sellers because of the postage and possible duty payable. I suppose the duty would not be payable on the carriage rates.

                                  …. but taxes might.

                                  its charged on the total and a admin charge

                                  #644359
                                  not done it yet
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                                    @notdoneityet

                                    and the link from NDIY is interesting.

                                    I only added that link because it was the first I came across. I know there are UK sources of such feed/lead screw materials. HPC Gears are the usual UK company that can supply, but there are others

                                    HPC Gears offer a 300mm length of 1/2” ACME LHT for 43 quid (no idea if it includes VAT/ delivery/etc. Personally I find them expensive, but good (and they do need to make a profit!).

                                    I don’t particularly bother about a bit of backlash. Adding another ~1/2mm of cut takes off another ~1/2mm.

                                    My lathe used square feed screw threads (still does). Does it really matter what thread-form is employed – as long as they work? Raglan obviously made a considered choice when they did that, back about 80 years ago.

                                    I’ve also made a ‘zero backlash’ feed screw nut by the ‘‘heat’n’squeeze’’ method, using acetal. Never actually used one, but they have been by some. The threads definitely need ‘easing-off’, IMO, mind.

                                    I do wonder how long a high quality Whitworth or UNC arrangement would work for most hobby machinists – maybe not appropriate for those who use their lathe all day, everyday – but for the more intermittent users it may last a looong time.

                                    #644389
                                    old mart
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                                      @oldmart

                                      The leadscrew from the USA is longer and includes a nut for a similar price to the HPC one. This is probably because ACME is still much more common there than trapezoidal. I had not seen their advert before, and after making the slightly longer leadscrew, maybe in two parts, there will be plenty left over which is saleable. I noticed that Tracey Tools have the 1/2 x 10 ACME taps for sale, but the new Atlas nut we already have should fit the new leadscrew and combined with the new one, I will be able to design a superior antibacklash for the cross slide.

                                      As you mention, a quality conventional thread would be a very good substitute leadscrew as even if the pitch error was greater than a dedicated leadscrew. With a cross slide it is normal to measure frequently and only move a short distance at a time which means even an error of 0.005" in the whole stroke, say 5" would only be 0.00025" in 1/4 inch. Of course the usual thread for cross slides is left handed, not so easy to get hold of.

                                      Edited By old mart on 08/05/2023 12:18:16

                                      #644390
                                      Hopper
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                                        @hopper

                                        You can buy longer lengths from various UK manufacturers too. Kingston Engineering is one. Abssac another and Automotion Components another. No idea how their prices compare though. Probably all much of a muchness I suspect.

                                        It seems to be one of the few things you can't buy cheap from China, because they don't do much in Imperial. Trapezoidal leadscrews in metric pitches are cheap as chips on Aliexpress etc. Shame they don't do the other stuff.

                                        Edited By Hopper on 08/05/2023 12:18:42

                                        #644413
                                        old mart
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                                          @oldmart

                                          The round column mill at the museum has leadscrews on the X and Y axes of 2.5mm TR pitch, and only recently was I able to get some er16 inserts in that non preferred pitch, from China.

                                          #644438
                                          old mart
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                                            @oldmart

                                            Zyltech have despatched the leadscrew using UPS and it is expected by the end of the month, good going so far, I will let you know more when it arrives.

                                            #645371
                                            old mart
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                                              @oldmart

                                              The leadscrew and nut arrived today, 2 weeks early, and nothing extra to pay over the £44. To improve the lathes poor design, the cross slide is a pathetic 6" long, and also to make installing positive antibacklash much easier, I will be making a longer cross slide, adding at least 2", or maybe more. There is a chunk of metal at the museum which will be used if it is cast iron and the design is very simple.

                                               

                                               

                                               

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                                              Edited By old mart on 16/05/2023 14:17:55

                                              Edited By old mart on 16/05/2023 14:19:30

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