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  • #642901
    John Broughton
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      @johnbroughton81802

      Hi first post here.

      Does any body know what the situation is with Myford, have they been bought out or something . A while ago I tried buying a metric screw cutting set and some collets but it was a bit of a strange conversation almost as if it was out of somebodies back shed for a hobby with no parts available?

      Maybe I got them at a bad time, but I,d like to try again as I get more and more stuff requiring metric thread turning so thought I'd take the plunge as its not cheap.

      cheers

      John

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      #14817
      John Broughton
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        @johnbroughton81802

        Trying to buy stuff

        #642990
        Chris Crew
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          @chriscrew66644

          What does 'a while ago' mean, can you state a timescale?

          #642991
          JasonB
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            @jasonb

            Also did you go to Myford-lathes.com or Myford.co.uk, the second one is the actual company

            Edited By JasonB on 28/04/2023 20:48:16

            #642998
            Chris Pearson 1
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              @chrispearson1

              The dregs of the original Myford company were bought out about 11 or 12 years ago. I have done business with Christian Dickinson (the current owner) since before then and last did so a couple of weeks ago. No problems at all.

              Regarding myford-lathes.com, Howard is not cheap, but you get what you pay for and once again, reliable.

              #643005
              John Broughton
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                @johnbroughton81802

                Hi

                Thanks for the replies.

                Yes I went to the company site. I have a Myford super 7B I bought new as an apprentice in 1980's ish. I got it through a friend with an engineering company. I should have got some of the add-ons at the time but alas never did as wanted some cash for castings. Its been more used for motorcycle repairs lately but still looks new.

                I'll give them another try shortly.

                cheers

                John

                #643029
                JohnF
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                  @johnf59703

                  John, It may well be worth looking at this post before buying the Myford metric screw cutting kit — here you need only a couple of gears !

                  https://www.model-engineer.co.uk/forums/postings.asp?th=125630

                  I have used both systems, bought the kit many years ago before the "new" simplified system was devised, now I use the new system — OK its not exact in some cases but absolutely fine for most jobs .

                  John

                  #643032
                  John Haine
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                    @johnhaine32865

                    John B, somewhere here there's a thread that links to tables of change gears needed to make metric threads without using the "exact" gears. The resulting errors are minimal for all practical purposes, likely less than the error in the leadscrew itself. Also I think there's a spreadsheet to calculate them if the table doesn't cover what you need.

                    Or of course you could fit an "electronic leadscrew" in which case you'd never need to worry!

                    #643042
                    Martin Kyte
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                      @martinkyte99762

                      If you are looking for Myford collets I’m pretty sure they are no longer produced. The small bore Myford 7 is no longer in production and there was a move to ER collets.

                      regards Martin

                      #643056
                      John Haine
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                        @johnhaine32865

                        Myford collets of the type that close in an MT2 bore and have a groove that engages with the clamp/removal nut are hen's teeth. I do have a set that I bought incomplete years ago and managed to fill in the gaps before the "old" Myford went bust. As Martin said, better to get an ER type that will fit on the spindle nose. Myford used to sell one but no longer seem to and nor do RDG who now own the Myford brand. Arc sell collet chucks that will bold to a backplate and they also sell plain backplates which would need machining to fit the chuck. Better to do this than use an MT2 fitting collet chuck which will limit the length of stock you can fit and would need a drawbar.. If you can accept a drawbar (just a bit of studding will do) then you can also use MT2 finger collets in the spindle.

                        #643059
                        not done it yet
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                          @notdoneityet

                          Another alternative, for thread cutting, might be the more recent development of driving the lead screw with the aid of electronics? Likely has the advantage of easy/rapid feed rate selection, too?

                          #643087
                          roy entwistle
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                            @royentwistle24699

                            Myford collets were originally made by Crawfords

                            Roy

                            #643088
                            Simon Williams 3
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                              @simonwilliams3

                              Message for John Broughton, just to inform the discussion :

                              Does your S7 have a quick change gearbox fitted?

                              If yes, then the possibilities identified in the thread to which JohnF refers are available to you. Post is above timed 09.10.04

                              HTH Simon

                              #643098
                              John Broughton
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                                @johnbroughton81802

                                Many thanks for the replies.

                                Yes it's a quick change gearbox, the solution by John F may be the very thing. I shall look into it. The last metric thread I cut I used an Imperial pitch that was as near as damit, but I won't get away with that very often.

                                I will also follow up on the advice on collets as I'm starting to renew my workshop interest again as retirement looms.

                                #643121
                                Chris Pearson 1
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                                  @chrispearson1

                                  If you want Myford bits and bobs, eBay is your friend. You just have to be patient. The one thing that I regret not buying from the old company was a D1-3 spindle, but I have managed to acquire just about every accessory ever made for my 254 plus.

                                  #643124
                                  bernard towers
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                                    @bernardtowers37738

                                    I think as most people are saying that 33/34 tooth gears should cover most of what you should need0e82a5ed-86db-427f-b984-a386643563aa.jpeg

                                    #643126
                                    speelwerk
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                                      @speelwerk

                                      This Dutch dealer has a set of imperial Myford collets for sale, Niko. **LINK**

                                      #643136
                                      bernard towers
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                                        @bernardtowers37738

                                        You can get an awful lot of ER equipment for that sort of money, and it will be new.

                                        #643143
                                        John Haine
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                                          @johnhaine32865

                                          And ER collets fit a range of sizes, Myford ones only their nominal size.

                                          #643169
                                          Martin Kyte
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                                            @martinkyte99762

                                            However in terms of accuracy the Myford nose collets are better as they depend only on the accuracy of the nose taper and the collet itself whereas the ER systems rely on the accuracy of the nose adaptor and the collet. I use both systems but prefer Myford collets for turning clock arbor pivots.

                                            Most of us have built our Myford collet collections on a if you see one grab it basis. Which is why they seem to be like hens teeth.

                                            Regards Martin

                                            #643172
                                            Martin Connelly
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                                              @martinconnelly55370

                                              Here are a couple of collet options.

                                              Stick an ER collet chuck in a 4 jaw independent chuck and get it running as true as you want. Smaller ones can be bought with a Ø16 parallel shank, you can go up to ER32 with a Ø32 shank. A cheap stop gap as you build up a collection of the real ones using Martin K's method. The disadvantage is that some of these parallel shanks do not have a through hole. They may also require shortening to get them sticking out as little as possible (not too hard to do with an angle grinder if the shank is hardened) if you get a shank larger than the spindle bore.

                                              Buy a backplate and ER front plate to make a collet chuck that replaces the standard chuck when required. This has been done by plenty of lathe owners.

                                              Parting off (or grooving) using a collet in the spindle nose is always easier than something sticking out a long way either in a chuck or collet mounted anywhere other than one in the spindle. It's just the way the mechanics of parting off works. This is a good reason to aim for the real thing.

                                              Martin C

                                              #643182
                                              john fletcher 1
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                                                @johnfletcher1

                                                Those two gears in the picture as posted by bernard tower was sold by John Stevenson years ago, perhaps some one else does so now. If you have a dividing head they can be easily made at home. There has been quite a discussion on "here" in the past about gears and Brian Wood's book on screw cutting. John

                                                #643206
                                                roy entwistle
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                                                  @royentwistle24699

                                                  As a frequent user of Myford collets on my Super 7, I find the gap bed to be a disadvantage. this is where the ML10 comes into it's own.

                                                  Roy

                                                  #643326
                                                  Chris Crew
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                                                    @chriscrew66644

                                                    About 40 years ago I made a few 'Myford' collets because at the time I couldn't afford or justify the real thing. They were only of mild steel but they actually worked remarkably well and I still have them even though over the years I have mostly acquired the real thing. From memory I turned two 2MT tapers back to back between centres on a piece of BMS leaving parallel portions at the the rear of each taper, as per the real Myford collet which I was copying, and sufficient in the centre to accommodate the groove for the closing/removal nut and to part the two tapers. I then placed each taper in turn in the head-stock taper and bored out the rear parallel section, again as per the Myford item, before parting the two tapers. I then drilled and reamed the blanks in the lathe head-stock before removing them to make four slits with a slitting saw. To prevent the fingers being distorted whilst the slitting was being done I inserted a piece of material of the collet's size into the bore.

                                                    I recall having a conversation with the late Malcolm Townend in the Myford shop at Beeston and he told me then that Crawford were refusing to produce anymore collets for Myford for an economical price and that Myford had had some samples made in India that were undergoing quality checks. Whether these later Indian-made collets actually made it on to the British market I have no idea. Sadly, Mr. Townend died and Myford at Beeston ceased to exist. Perhaps someone knows more about these later collets.

                                                    #643329
                                                    Michael Gilligan
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                                                      @michaelgilligan61133
                                                      Posted by Chris Crew on 01/05/2023 01:07:19:

                                                      About 40 years ago I made a few 'Myford' collets because at the time I couldn't afford or justify the real thing.

                                                      […]

                                                      I recall having a conversation with the late Malcolm Townend in the Myford shop at Beeston and he told me then that Crawford were refusing to produce anymore collets for Myford for an economical price and that Myford had had some samples made in India that were undergoing quality checks. Whether these later Indian-made collets actually made it on to the British market I have no idea. Sadly, Mr. Townend died and Myford at Beeston ceased to exist. Perhaps someone knows more about these later collets.

                                                      .

                                                      Very interesting, Chris … firstly that yours were successful yes but also that Crawford couldn’t /wouldn't make Myford’s product at an appropriate price.

                                                      I think it says a lot about

                                                      1. the underlying quality of both firms’ products
                                                      2. the global trend in manufacturing
                                                      3. the pressure of ‘Market Forces’

                                                      As you have personally demonstrated: The Myford collet is an excellent design, but it was ultimately too expensive for its target market.

                                                      A classic tragedy !

                                                      MichaelG.

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