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    dt man
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      @dtman

      Evening all!

      First time posting, have come up a little stuck with my Tom senior mill. I’ve had an issue with the y axis and decided time is time and today was the day to fix it, however, it had other ideas.

      I’ve stripped it all down but I’m struggling on the final hurdle which the the T shaped in the centre underneath the bed (where the spindle essentially goes through) and I can’t for the life of me work out how to get it out. Any ideas / solutions greatly appreciated!

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      #14753
      dt man
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        @dtman

        Y axis travel issues

        #630063
        Buffer
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          @buffer

          Are you stuck trying to remove the table to get to the underneath?

          #630080
          Michael Callaghan
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            @michaelcallaghan68621

            You should just be able to pull the bed out from the knee. Once removed you can withdraw the bull screw along with the handle and the tee nut.

            #630203
            dt man
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              @dtman

              It’s the tee but I’m struggling to get out, here’s a pic. Any tips for this would be appreciated.

              thanks!

              #630205
              Swarf, Mostly!
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                @swarfmostly

                Good evening, Dt,

                This forum has a particular method for posting photos. You have to create an album and then upload the photos into it, then call them down into your forum post.

                There should be a link pinned to the top of the home page somewhere. It's quite simple once you get used to it, say by about the third photo. You can have as many albums ('alba'? ) as you like for different subjects.

                Best regards,

                Swarf, Mostly!

                P.S.:  ALWAYS type a space before typing a right bracket – this avoids waking-up the smiley gremlis!

                Edited By Swarf, Mostly! on 19/01/2023 19:03:52

                Edited By Swarf, Mostly! on 19/01/2023 19:05:57

                Edited By Swarf, Mostly! on 19/01/2023 19:06:51

                #630211
                dt man
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                  @dtman

                  Pic below, hopefully. Thanks Swarf!
                  aa06f56c-8c23-4b08-84d6-205f1a5bee76.jpeg

                  #630342
                  Buffer
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                    @buffer

                    I have a Tom senior and I've taken it apart several times but I'm afraid I don't understand the problem from the description and the photo is too zoomed in for me to see what we are looking at. If you could be a bit clearer with the problem and show more in the photo I should be able to help.

                    #630347
                    Brian Wood
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                      @brianwood45127

                      I couldn't make sense of it either and like Buffer I've dismantled mine in the past

                      Brian

                      #630351
                      dt man
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                        @dtman

                        Sorry gents, not the best at taking photos!

                        It’s basically the y axis spindle nut that I’m struggling to get out. the whole thing is in bits but I can’t seem to figure out how to get the y axis nut out.

                        I’ll try and take another photo if that doesn’t make any more sense?

                        thanks!

                         

                         

                        Edited By dt man on 20/01/2023 19:40:51

                        #630355
                        Michael Gilligan
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                          @michaelgilligan61133
                          Posted by Swarf, Mostly! on 19/01/2023 19:03:24:

                          Good evening, Dt,

                          This forum has a particular method for posting photos. You have to create an album and then upload the photos into it, then call them down into your forum post.

                          There should be a link […]

                          .

                          Superfluous **LINK**

                          https://www.model-engineer.co.uk/forums/postings.asp?th=103028&p=1

                          MichaelG.

                          Edited By Michael Gilligan on 20/01/2023 20:20:02

                          #630358
                          old mart
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                            @oldmart

                            The manual for several variaitions is on the Denford website, and here is the link to the pdf. The nut for the Y axis is shown on p13. These mills are very easy to strip down.**LINK**

                            I have pictures in my album of modifications done to the Y axis nut for antibacklash. The igp 2994 shows the hole that the nut sits in, and the nut and the nut and its modifications ars from igp2998, to igp 3013.

                            Edited By old mart on 20/01/2023 20:35:30

                            #630360
                            Michael Gilligan
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                              @michaelgilligan61133
                              Posted by old mart on 20/01/2023 20:25:50:

                              The manual for several variaitions is on the Denford website, and here is the link to the pdf. The nut for the Y axis is shown on p13. […]

                              .

                              I downloaded that, just out of curiosity, and was amused by the scale declared on p10 angel

                              MichaelG.

                              Edited By Michael Gilligan on 20/01/2023 20:41:11

                              #630362
                              old mart
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                                @oldmart

                                Did you notice the R8 head, much more complicated than my R8 mod to the light vertical head, I only have two taper roller bearings.

                                 As for the scale, the original drawings have been scanned, so they could be any size.

                                Edited By old mart on 20/01/2023 20:48:17

                                #630363
                                dt man
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                                  @dtman

                                  Thanks old mart, I had found your post on an earlier thread which was brilliant and will be very helpful, what I’m struggling with is actually removing the y axis but, does it screw from the Top then drop out or is there a trick I’m missing somewhere?

                                  #630364
                                  old mart
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                                    @oldmart

                                    I think you remove any gibs from the Y axis and lift it up. the nut will remain with the Y leadscrew in the knee. The picture, 19-49-08, with the red ring shows the nut in the hole after the screw and washer have been removed, clean the muck off and you should see the bronze.

                                    #630366
                                    Michael Gilligan
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                                      @michaelgilligan61133
                                      Posted by old mart on 20/01/2023 20:45:03:

                                      […]

                                      As for the scale, the original drawings have been scanned, so they could be any size

                                      .

                                      It’s O.K. … I only said I was amused [it doesn’t take much]

                                      MichaelG.

                                      #630369
                                      dt man
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                                        @dtman

                                        Thanks old mart, will give that a go over the next few days. Have a lovely weekend.

                                        #630378
                                        old mart
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                                          @oldmart

                                          When you lift up the Y axis part, press down on the nut in the hole at the same time, it should not be a tight fit.

                                          #640328
                                          Andrew Lutley
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                                            @andrewlutley12148

                                            I am nearing the end of a rather drawn out refurbishment of my Tom Senior M1 milling machine. I started taking it to bits 3 years ago!

                                            Everything has gone more or less to plan, but I have a few minor issues to sort out.

                                            The first one is that I have mislaid the 2 nuts which secure the knucklehead assembly to the 2 mounting studs. If someone can let me know the thread that woud be most helpful. My first guess was 3/8" UNF or UNC, but those are marginally too small.

                                            Andrew

                                            #640340
                                            roy entwistle
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                                              @royentwistle24699

                                              Andrew . On an English machine I woud expect them to be either Whitworth or BSF

                                              Roy

                                              #640367
                                              Andrew Lutley
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                                                @andrewlutley12148

                                                Thanks Roy

                                                3/8" BSF and 3/8" Whitworth nuts are now on order. I'll post the answer when they arrive.

                                                My second question concerns the gearbox. Before refurbishment, I could only select 2 of the 3 gears, and even those were difficult to engage. I stripped the gearbox down and cleaned it all up. Everything looked to be in excellent condition, with no play in the shafts. However, the gears are a very close fit. With the front cover off, I could engage all 3 gear positions, but it took a bit of 'jiggling' to select each gear. Now that the front cover is back on and I can't see inside, it is even more difficult to select each gear.

                                                Has anyone else experienced this problem and, if so, any suggestions as to how to fix it? I saw a picture of another Tom Senior M1 mill where a longer gear selector lever had been fitted which suggests that it may a be an issue which others have encountered.

                                                Andrew

                                                 

                                                Edited By JasonB on 09/04/2023 10:12:11

                                                #640393
                                                old mart
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                                                  @oldmart

                                                  Tom Senior use Whitworth, BSF and BA threads.

                                                  #640559
                                                  Andrew Lutley
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                                                    @andrewlutley12148

                                                    And the answer is: the 2 nuts which secure the knucklehead assembly to the 2 mounting studs are 3/8" BSF.

                                                    Thanks Roy!

                                                    Andrew

                                                    #640560
                                                    Andrew Lutley
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                                                      @andrewlutley12148

                                                      Thanks also to old mart.

                                                      Having got the knucklehead assembly back in place, I see that the 3 screws which hold the front cover in position are also missing. The drawing indicates a 3/16" hole. If anyone can provide me with the screw length, that would be great.

                                                      ts mill front missing screws.jpg

                                                      Andrew

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