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    Bantam Bill
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      There’s a lovely Myford 254V+ on eBay, price isn’t over the top considering the selection of accessories, the vertical milling head and delivery if I didn’t have one I would get it.

      However what really took my attention was the very neat retracting top slide, never seen one like this anyone recognise it.

      https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/285066436635?mkevt=1&mkpid=0&emsid=e11021.m43.l1120&mkcid=7&ch=osgood&euid=aff0aad20437433582d3af1c3ba21bbc&bu=45088234588&ut=RU&exe=0&ext=0&osub=-1%7E1&crd=20221207052815&segname=11021

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      Bantam Bill
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        #623975
        Michael Gilligan
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          I suspect it might be based on Radford’s design

          MichaelG.

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          Edit: __ Sorry : Probably mistaken

          Edited By Michael Gilligan on 07/12/2022 21:54:15

          #624010
          KWIL
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            @kwil

            Does not look like a retracting top slide to me.

            #624014
            Tony Pratt 1
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              Posted by KWIL on 08/12/2022 09:28:22:

              Does not look like a retracting top slide to me.

              Correct, not a retracting top slide, a nice clean machine though.

              Tony

              #624089
              Colin Heseltine
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                The advert describes it as a geared and retracting top slide.

                Colin

                #624094
                DC31k
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                  Posted by Tony Pratt 1 on 08/12/2022 09:38:44:

                  Correct, not a retracting top slide, a nice clean machine though.

                  If it is not, then what is the lever at the side of the compound slide for? Although it has a grease nipple in it, it sure ain't for lubrication.

                  The machine is here:

                  Myford 245V plus long bed lathe with vertical mill / drill attachment

                  #624097
                  Clive Foster
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                    The pictures show a very non standard L shaped lever on the side of the top-slide base.

                    If it is a retracting top-slide as described the top-slide nut could be mounted on some sort of rack slide operated by a gear on the lever shaft to give the retracting action.

                    Objectively an considerable amount of work for a monumentally stupid way of going about things. Especially as that lever is on the chuck side of the top-slide when it is set at 90° to the work. Which is the position where a retracting top-slide is most desirable. Reducing the precision and stability of the top-slide nut mount to implement an improvement of effectively only theoretical value seems somewhat unwise.

                    Unless someone knows of hidden crafty engineering to sidestep such problems.

                    Historically effective slide retraction systems have been based shifting the thrust bearing and dial assembly back by either on a concentric quick thread sleeve or a cam / eccentric system on a vertical or horizontal shaft. For example my P&W B has the concentric quick thread sleeve on the cross-slide screw. The Geo. H Thomas geared and retracting top-slide system uses the vertical shaft which appears overly complicated in some respects due to the dependance on accurante non-concentric working when making the parts.

                    Clive

                    #624099
                    Tony Pratt 1
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                      Posted by DC31k on 08/12/2022 17:13:23:

                      Posted by Tony Pratt 1 on 08/12/2022 09:38:44:

                      Correct, not a retracting top slide, a nice clean machine though.

                      If it is not, then what is the lever at the side of the compound slide for? Although it has a grease nipple in it, it sure ain't for lubrication.

                      The machine is here:

                      Myford 245V plus long bed lathe with vertical mill / drill attachment

                      Yes looking at the pictures again and the video shows the retracting top slide in actioncheeky

                      Tony

                      Edited By Tony Pratt 1 on 08/12/2022 17:32:47

                      #624114
                      Peter Simpson 3
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                        What did it cost new ?

                        #624136
                        Kiwi Bloke
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                          It cost a lot!

                          From a 1996 Myford price list, the 254V series lathes cost from GBP 5440 to 5705, depending on bed length. Milling attachment cost from GBP 2019 to 2167 in 1995, when a 4" 3-jaw Toolmex chuck was GBP 92, a 5" 4-jaw Toolmex chuck was GBP 120, and a Pratt-Burnerd Super-precision 3-jaw, with fitted backplate, was GBP 225. All prices ex-works, excluding VAT. From a 1990 price list, the lathes cost from GBP 4411 to 4686, reminding us that we have lived through inflationary times (several times) before… Not really surprising that the ending of 254 production signalled that Myford's demise was inevitable.

                          #624137
                          Kiwi Bloke
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                            I haven't seen this retracting slide design before. I think Clive Foster's negative comments are hasty and harsh. Why should a well-engineered moving nut be worse than a moving feed-screw thrust bearing? If the user screw-cut with the top-slide slewed round, the handle is more accessible than it would be on t'other side, especially if tailstock support is employed, when the tailstock would likely get in the way.

                            #624139
                            Michael Gilligan
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                              For anyone who blinked at the wrong moment:

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                              Sorry … I don’t know how to easily extract a 2-second loop from YouTube

                              MichaelG.

                              #625368
                              Chris Pearson 1
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                                Posted by Bantam Bill on 07/12/2022 21:33:23:

                                … if I didn’t have one I would get it.

                                However what really took my attention was the very neat retracting top slide, never seen one like this anyone recognise it.

                                Same with me.

                                I was curious about the top slide gadget, but I wondered what it is for. A bargain if you ask me. I was surprised that the VSD was still working.

                                #625372
                                Hopper
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                                  Posted by Clive Foster on 08/12/2022 17:29:10:…..

                                  Objectively an considerable amount of work for a monumentally stupid way of going about things. Especially as that lever is on the chuck side of the top-slide when it is set at 90° to the work. Which is the position where a retracting top-slide is most desirable.

                                  Surely the top slide would be pivoted around to 29 or 30 degrees from square for screwcutting? So there would be plenty of room to swing the lever without interfacing the chuck etc.

                                  It does indeed look like the lever moves the nut inside the slide base, so a simpler and thus more elegant way of doing things than some of the other methods seen over the years. I might have to look into making one for the ML7.

                                  #625373
                                  DC31k
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                                    Posted by Hopper on 19/12/2022 04:19:43:

                                    Surely the top slide would be pivoted around to 29 or 30 degrees from square for screwcutting? So there would be plenty of room to swing the lever without interfacing the chuck etc.

                                    Think about normal operation of the machine: the only parts your fingers touch are the three dials on compound slide, cross slide and saddle.

                                    To retract the lever shown (it has to point 'forwards' to engage the tool in the work), you have to put your digits closer to the spinning parts than might be desirable. So while the principle might be good, the ergonomics of what is shown are less so.

                                    It has struck me while typing this that perhaps something could be installed over the grease nipple shown on the end and act as a remote release (like the cable you can buy for a camera). That would increase the safety.

                                    It is the detailed design of its operating mechanism that needs consideration more than the concept of a moving nut.

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