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  • #595977
    Kim Garnett
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      @kimgarnett94824

      Hi Could any one tell me the outside diameter the core diameter and angle of the Boxford Aud,Bud metric lead screw as i am looking to make one. As far as I know the the outside diameter is 0.750 thou and the form is ACME and the core shoud be around 0.612 thou but this is a guess

      Thanks

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      #14543
      Kim Garnett
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        #595986
        Rex Hanman
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          @rexhanman57403

          My metric BUD leadscrew is spot on 20mm diameter. Sorry, I can't help you with the core diameter or thread angle.

          #595988
          Kim Garnett
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            @kimgarnett94824

            Thanks Rex That put the cat amongst pigeons

            #595989
            Thor 🇳🇴
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              @thor

              Hi Kim,

              Have you tried asking the Boxford group?

              Thor

              #595992
              Kim Garnett
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                @kimgarnett94824

                Hi Thor No but it might worth a try.

                thanks

                #595997
                Hopper
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                  @hopper

                  If it's Acme the thread depth is half the pitch. So core diameter is OD minus 1 pitch.

                  But being metric, could it be a 30 degree Trapezoidal thread instead?

                  No need to guess at core diameters. Specs for both threads are standard and widely available online down to the enth degree.

                  Edited By Hopper on 27/04/2022 10:05:13

                  #596007
                  DC31k
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                    @dc31k
                    Posted by Hopper on 27/04/2022 10:03:13:

                    But being metric, could it be a 30 degree Trapezoidal thread instead?

                    We have had discussions here before about metric leadscrews used on UK-manufacturered machines. Sadly, I cannot find one by searching, nor can I remember whether it was specific to Boxford or concerned another marque.

                    However, the consensus appeared to be that many of the manufacturers used imperial diameter stock and an ACME thread form for their leadscrews, just with a metric pitch.

                    It would be great if someone could find the thread just to refresh our memories.

                    #596008
                    Kim Garnett
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                      @kimgarnett94824

                      Hi Hopper I have a drawing for a denford viceroy half nuts which seems to suggest that a viceroy lathe lead screw

                      was 3/4" acme for both metric and Imperial lathes and just the pitch changed and as denford made both machines I was expecting it to be the same for the boxford but it seem not be the case. It would make the interchange between metric and imperial easy from a manufacturing point of view. The core depth would help determine the thread angle

                      Would this mean that they used a different worm in the saddle which the lead screw passes through on metric boxford lathes from the imperial lathe as i said in a reply to Rex that's put a cat amongst the pigeons

                      #596017
                      Hopper
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                        @hopper

                        Indeed. I think as Thor suggests you would be best to quiz the Boxford groups on Facebook or groups.io etc. The aficionados can probably quote you chapter and verse on the topic.

                        Like DC31K I vaguely remember threads about metric Acme hybrids but no idea if it was Myford or Boxford or Raglan or another. Sounds like a typical cost saving piece of production engineering any of them could have indulged in.

                        #596019
                        Hopper
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                          @hopper

                          Another possibility to consider is that if it turns out to be a standard metric Trapezoidal thread, you can buy lengths of readymade leadscrew for very reasonable prices but again I forget the name of the UK suppliers discussed in old threads here. One advantage is that the commercially rolled thread is work hardened so more durable than a screwcut thread. But of course you miss out on the fun of cutting your own very long and very thin trapezoidal thread which is only as accurate as the possibly worn leadscrew of the lathe you make it on!

                          If you are making your own half nuts then you might go one step further and make your own (or buy) worm gear to mesh with a trapezoidal leadscrew in the apron  . Just go fully standard metric trapezoidal thread. No need to copy Boxford's mass production cost saving hybrid deal if that is what it turns out they did.

                          Edited By Hopper on 27/04/2022 12:47:52

                          #596022
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                            @mgnbuk

                            as denford made both machines

                            Maybe at one time, but they were two different companies with two different manufacturing sites for a very long time. I would be wary of assuming that the drawings for one manufacturer were interchangeable with products from the other.

                            Nigel B.

                            #596025
                            Kim Garnett
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                              @kimgarnett94824

                              Hi Nigel

                              My lathe was made by denford before they were sold off its over 60 years old but it may be a change they made when they started making the viceroy lathe as a cost saving and I am wary that's why I ask the question in the first place it appears that it not be as straight forward as I first thought

                              #596031
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                                @mgnbuk

                                Hi Kim,

                                If lathes.co.uk are correct, Denford sold the Boxford side to Harrisons in 1952 & designed their replacement machines after the split. If your machine is early '60s, that would put it as being made after the two companies split up ?

                                The lathes.co.uk descriptions of the Denford machines produced after they moved to Brighouse suggest that their design was different to the Boxford product to address perceived shortcomings. The pictures of the various Viceroy models on the site look quite different to the Boxfords & I would be very suprised if Viceroy parts would drop straight in to a Boxford.

                                Boxford used a Jowett thread whirler to manufacture some (if not all) of their leadscrews – a rather noisy thing, it was at the end of the workshop near the loading bay door ( I did the last year of my apprenticeship at Boxfords Sept '80 – Sept '81).

                                Nigel B.

                                #596034
                                bernard towers
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                                  @bernardtowers37738

                                  the company I used last is Moore International, surprisingly cheap!!!

                                  #596035
                                  Pete Rimmer
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                                    @peterimmer30576

                                    Denford certainly used imperial stock sizes for Metric pitch leadscews. Their metric cross slide screw drawing calls for a 0.750" diamter 5mm pitch LH ACME form thread. A friend of mine enquired with someone for a Boxford cross-slide screw and he was also told it was a metric pitch but ACME form screw, but I cannot verify that. I have an imperial drawing but not a metric one.

                                    #596040
                                    Kim Garnett
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                                      @kimgarnett94824

                                      Hi Nigel

                                      The reason I think that my boxford was made by denford is because it has a denford plate on the bed.

                                      #596045
                                      Kim Garnett
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                                        @kimgarnett94824

                                        Hi All

                                        Thanks for the help but appears that there are two sizes of lead screw on metric machines 19mm and 20mm I have just had a reply from boxford group where some has measured an Aud and has 19mm lead screw with acme thread 3mm pitch

                                        And Thanks again for the help

                                        Kim

                                        #596053
                                        AJAX
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                                          @ajax
                                          Posted by Hopper on 27/04/2022 12:44:31:

                                          Another possibility to consider is that if it turns out to be a standard metric Trapezoidal thread, you can buy lengths of readymade leadscrew for very reasonable prices but again I forget the name of the UK suppliers discussed in old threads here. One advantage is that the commercially rolled thread is work hardened so more durable than a screwcut thread. But of course you miss out on the fun of cutting your own very long and very thin trapezoidal thread which is only as accurate as the possibly worn leadscrew of the lathe you make it on!

                                          Edited By Hopper on 27/04/2022 12:47:52

                                          I'd be very interested if anyone remembers the supplier name.

                                          #596055
                                          Kim Garnett
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                                            @kimgarnett94824

                                            is it ABSSAC

                                            #596060
                                            Rex Hanman
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                                              @rexhanman57403

                                              Oooops! Shoot the cat! I was in a rush this morning when I measured the leadscrew on my 1984 BUD. It is 0.750 thou. Specsavers appointment booked for tomorrow,

                                              My apologies to Kim and everyone else for misleading you.

                                              I hang my head in shame and hope that nobody at tonight's club meeting has seen this!

                                              #596084
                                              Hopper
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                                                @hopper

                                                See Bernard's post above re Moore International for leadscrews.

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