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3 January 2022 at 18:22 #578299
Sam Bernard
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@sambernard62918
Hi everyone, I recently brought a new lathe a warco 220. Unfortunately it didn’t come with any change gears apart from a couple for the feed.

would anyone who owns one be willing to help me figure out if I’m missing any bits eg. Going from feed setup to screw cutting setup, is there any bushings etc I need to make up. If you could give me sizes etc of the parts I would be most grateful.

also with regards to the change gears would I be correct in believing they are module 1.5 with a 20 pitch.

I’m thinking I may buy some 1.5 spur gears and modify them to fit. Any suggestions?
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3 January 2022 at 18:22 #14433
Sam Bernard
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@sambernard62918
Warco 220 Need help with missing parts please
3 January 2022 at 23:20 #578359
Dave Halford
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@davehalford22513
Might be something in here
4 January 2022 at 07:21 #578370
not done it yet
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@notdoneityet
with regards to the change gears would I be correct in believing they are module 1.5 with a 20 pitch.

Use the formula for calculating the MOD, using the (tooth count + 2) and diameter of the gear, to confirm, or otherwise, your belief.
4 January 2022 at 08:13 #578375
John Haine
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@johnhaine32865
I assume you mean mod 1.5mm, 20 degree pressure angle?
4 January 2022 at 08:34 #578376
JasonB
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@jasonb
Ive not seen MOD expressed in mm before, generally just a number eg 1, 1.5, 2, etc which once multiplied by pi will give the circular pitch in mm.

20pa would be most likely.

Divide the OD by number of teeth +2 to get the MOD
4 January 2022 at 09:02 #578378
Nicholas Farr
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@nicholasfarr14254
Hi Sam, this chart shows all the change gears that came with the lathe I have Selection Chart there is a little info about the machine Mashstroy there are some oddments of info in my Warco 220 album I may be able to have a look at my change gears later or in the next day or two.

Regards Nick.
4 January 2022 at 09:21 #578381
Peter G. Shaw
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@peterg-shaw75338
There is something odd, which frankly I haven't looked into so don't understand it, in that the two largest gears, I think it's the two largest, are stamped with a different number compared to the others. Unfortunately, they are on the machine and this morning is the coldest yet this winter! Brrrrr….

Sam,

Have you got the so-called manual that goes with the lathe? If not, then I have a copy of the original pink handbook stored on my computer complete with their version of English! It's no big deal to email it to you if you wish. I've also got a copy that Nick Farr sent me: this version being done by Warco (I presume) and is in better English and printing. I'm sure Nick won't mind me saying this.

I've also got photos, drawings, info, about some of the bits & pieces of the lathe – unlike Nick, I haven't got an album, so if you want something, ask, and if I've done it, then it's yours for the price of an email.

Cheers,

Peter G. Shaw
4 January 2022 at 09:27 #578384
Nicholas Farr
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@nicholasfarr14254
Hi Peter G., I have no problem with you sharing any info that I've sent you regarding the Warco 220 lathe.

Regards Nick.
4 January 2022 at 10:05 #578391
John Haine
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@johnhaine32865
Posted by JasonB on 04/01/2022 08:34:58:

Ive not seen MOD expressed in mm before, generally just a number eg 1, 1.5, 2, etc which once multiplied by pi will give the circular pitch in mm.

20pa would be most likely.

Divide the OD by number of teeth +2 to get the MOD

Pitch diameter = #teeth x mod in mm. So the units of mod are mm. Normally they aren't included as "mod" is assumed to be a metric system of gear definition, but I wanted to be clear since the OP said a 20 pitch. I am assuming that a pitch of 20 DP is not intended! Also it would have to have units of mm to give the circular pitch when multiplied by pi.
4 January 2022 at 10:43 #578401
JasonB
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@jasonb
John, agree the answer is metric but I've never seen it written as Mod#mm. Much the same way as we don't write 32DP" or 32DP inches but all the calcs using the DP give an answer in inches.
4 January 2022 at 11:03 #578405
not done it yet
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@notdoneityet
JB

DP would be in 1/inch in units as it is a number (no units) divided by a length (diameter, in inch units).

I suppose if one looks up the definition of DP (from a proper text), it will define the result of the calculation as the numerical DP, not including units. Same with metric gear MODs. They likely neither include units as they are derived specifically from mm or inches, so are specific to the particular system.
4 January 2022 at 12:39 #578417
Howard Lewis
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@howardlewis46836
If it really a new machine, the supplier should supply any gears that are missing, since it has been short shipped.

If it "New" to you, but used,, this may help.

Being a recent machine, the gears are very likely to Module and 20 degrees Pressure Angle.

OD in mm / (Tooth Count + 2 ) = Module

So a 1.25 Module gear with 60 Teeth would be 77.5 mm OD.

Once you have found which gears are missing, you could ask WARCO if they can supply.

It is possible that gears from a later machine would have the same Module, width, bore and keyway.

Howard
4 January 2022 at 13:56 #578437
Nicholas Farr
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@nicholasfarr14254
Hi Howard, the Warco 220 is an old lathe, I bought mine second hand way back in about 2005 and they were not in Warco's 2002 catalogue, so there's no guarantee that they will have any spares now for them, Sam could always ask of course.

Regards Nick.
27 January 2022 at 04:47 #582597
Sam Bernard
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@sambernard62918
Posted by Peter G. Shaw on 04/01/2022 09:21:00:

There is something odd, which frankly I haven't looked into so don't understand it, in that the two largest gears, I think it's the two largest, are stamped with a different number compared to the others. Unfortunately, they are on the machine and this morning is the coldest yet this winter! Brrrrr….

Sam,

Have you got the so-called manual that goes with the lathe? If not, then I have a copy of the original pink handbook stored on my computer complete with their version of English! It's no big deal to email it to you if you wish. I've also got a copy that Nick Farr sent me: this version being done by Warco (I presume) and is in better English and printing. I'm sure Nick won't mind me saying this.

I've also got photos, drawings, info, about some of the bits & pieces of the lathe – unlike Nick, I haven't got an album, so if you want something, ask, and if I've done it, then it's yours for the price of an email.

Cheers,

Peter G. Shaw

Hi Peter,

Many thanks for your response.

When you swap over from turning to screw cutting I understand that you need a short tee nut and also a bush, would you mind giving me the sizes of these components? A picture of the setup in screw cutting mode would be really helpful.

Ive brought some off the shelf gears that I’m modifying to fit.
27 January 2022 at 10:18 #582615
Peter G. Shaw
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@peterg-shaw75338
Sam,

May I suggest that you use the private messaging system to send me your (or a suitable) email address. The reason is that I have, so far, turned up two photos which I believe are what you may be asking for, a word document I did some time ago on fine feed and a set of drawings which I did some years ago when I managed to break the triple pulley block on the finefeed mechanism. This drawing shows, I think, all the parts that you are asking for. It will have to be a pdf, unless you can read drawings from Design Cad Pro! Also, the measurements will be as I measured them, and I rather think that there is space for rationalisation, eg, a dimension of 4.06mm is probably meant to be 4.00mm. At least, if I was designing from scratch, I would be very unlikely to use such odd dimensions.

All in all, a lot of stuff to put on the ME/MEW forum – not for any reasons of secrecy, just the practicalities.

Cheers,

Peter G. Shaw
9 September 2023 at 18:04 #659691
Daniele Farronato
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@danielefarronato46331
Buon giorno a tutti, sono un nuovo mambro e sono inesperto in materia. Sto imparando da autodidatta. Sono da poco venuto in possesso di un tornio mashtroy(warco 220) sto cercando di restaurerlo, però non ho un libretto istruzioni, ho visto che ci sono dei giochi nelle chiocciole in ottone, e non so il passo della vite senza fine. Qualcuno nel gruppo mi può aiutare? Informazioni, disegni, ecc. Ne sarei molto grato grazie
10 September 2023 at 10:01 #659726
JasonB
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@jasonb
My computer auto translated this when I approved it this morning, for those that can't translate

"Good morning everyone, I'm a new member and I'm inexperienced on the subject. I'm self-taught. I have recently come into possession of a mashtroy lathe (warco 220) I'm trying to restore it, but I don't have an instruction booklet, I saw that there are some games in the brass nuts, and I don't know the pitch of the worm. Can anyone in the group help me? Information, drawings, etc. I would be very grateful, thank you"
10 September 2023 at 10:11 #659728
DiogenesII
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@diogenesii
'Play in the nuts and I don't know the pitch of the screw'?

..does anyone have enough Italian to ask whether Daniele means the leadscrew or feed-screws?
10 September 2023 at 10:20 #659733
Ady1
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@ady1
Big worm or little worm (in italian)
10 September 2023 at 17:35 #659764
Ady1
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@ady1
Got a message:

Buon giorno, sto cercando i passi delle chiocciole in ottone tutti e due grande e piccolo. Grazie mille

Good morning, I'm looking for the steps of the brass snails, both large and small.

anyone got the TPI for the leadscrew nuts pls

http://www.lathes.co.uk/mashstroy/

https://docs.hacman.org.uk/instruction_manuals/Warco-Lathe-220.pdf

I'm guessing the main half nut is 4mm

Edited By Ady1 on 10/09/2023 17:57:38
17 February 2024 at 13:32 #714892
Daniele Farronato
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@danielefarronato46331
Buon giorno a tutti, sto cercando la controtesta per tornio warco 220, qualcuno può suggerirmi dove si può trovare? Grazie
17 February 2024 at 17:16 #714920
peak4
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@peak4
On 17 February 2024 at 13:32 Daniele Farronato Said:

Buon giorno a tutti, sto cercando la controtesta per tornio warco 220, qualcuno può suggerirmi dove si può trovare? Grazie

Auto Translation
Good morning everyone, I am looking for the chuck for a Warco 220 lathe, can anyone suggest where I can find it? Thank you.

Sorry, I can’t help with a chuck
Is it flange mount with bolts?
If so, I guess a plain threaded backplate attached to the chuck of your choice.

Bill
18 February 2024 at 23:26 #715208
Daniele Farronato
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@danielefarronato46331
Buon giorno, potresti suggerire qualche sito d’acquisto. Grazie
19 February 2024 at 01:16 #715210
peak4
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@peak4
On 18 February 2024 at 23:26 Daniele Farronato Said:

Buon giorno, potresti suggerire qualche sito d’acquisto. Grazie

Sorry I don’t speak Italian.
What size, how many jaws, and what is the spindle fitting?

Google Translation result
Mi spiace, non parlo italiano. Di che dimensione, quante ganasce e qual è il montaggio del mandrino?

Bill
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