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    sean logie
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      #335234
      sean logie
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        Anyone have/used one of these . There's one for sale at a very cheap price not very far from me . The guys says it's been stored outside under a cover for 18 months or so ,probably not good ! .I had a wee look on Lathes Uk seems a hand looking machine and not too big of a footprint .

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        Sean

        #335237
        Chris Evans 6
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          I've used one, must have been in the early 70s. I found it a bit ponderous like riding a cart horse after using a Bridgeport for a few years. I did small injection mould work and it was not really suitable but the lads that did the bigger jigs and fixtures seemed to get on OK with the machine. Do the usual checks, there where a lot of this type of machine about. Gate/Tos/Elliot/Beaver, as I moved around contract tool makers I got to use most of what was around. All did the job. I seem to remember some being very tall to reach the drawbar.

          #335239
          Dave Martin
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            Sean,

            unless you can see it running, would suggest you factor in cost of possibly having to replace the spindle and feed motors + possibly any contactors etc.

            Dave

            #335263
            Muzzer
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              You should be paying scrap price for that. You can probably recover a good machine from what is there but nobody in their right mind would pay much more than a couple hundred quid absolute tops (if it appears functional and complete beneath the rust) – and it will weigh the best part of 1.5 tonnes so will possibly cost more than that to get it home. The alternative would be them getting a scrappie to come and take it away for free. As it is, you have no means of checking whether it works or what state it's in.

              The bigger the machine, the cheaper it is when in a state like this. Too big for most hobby users and no use to a professional. You might even take it away for him…

              Murray

              #335286
              John McNamara
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                Looks like a sturdy machine to me, 2 x Box ways (More rigid) and, dovetails on the table with what looks like decent travel, a separate motor and gearbox for table power feed. if the paint is original it does not show a lot of wear. Is it 40 taper? if it is there is a lot of second hand tooling available. R8 would be OK. Does it have automatic feed for the quill for drilling and boring?

                If the vendor will allow it I would take some steel wool and a can of CRC, RP7 or similar and test a section of the table to see how deep the rusting really is, you may be surprised.

                Freight should not be that bad if the distance is short and there is a contractor near. From the photo it looks like the current yard it is located in has a nice big crane available to load it, hopefully they also have a smaller one!

                The first thing I would do when I got it home would be to spray it all over with oil and start cleaning. I would also open the switch box and play a couple of fan heaters from various angles on it for a few days. the big mistake is to power up a machine that has been wet and not fully dried out. You could get an electrician to test the motors and electrics for safety and with a megger to check for insulation breakdown, failing that check yourself with a multimeter if you have the experience to read the results. Once fully dried out and tested it can be powered up. the top speed of 2300? could be a increased to around 3000 RPM with a VFD.

                Big machines are heavier to use, and setting one up can take a bit longer, but they can take much heavier cuts than a light hobby machine. You also have plenty of room for a decent size rotary table and larger work pieces. If you have the space you will not regret getting it.

                I found this one on Google looks fairly similar.

                **LINK**

                Regards
                J

                Edited By John McNamara on 04/01/2018 12:29:49

                #335305
                Muzzer
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                  I wouldn't spend much time convincing the seller that it's salvageable! You should practice your moaning and groaning and indecisive look.

                  TBH, unless the flat ways are chromed, the effects of 2 winters outdoors could be pretty serious. My machines spent a couple of months outdoors (covered in tarps) while the workshop was being built and even after that short period the tables on both mills and the bed of the lathe will always show where the rusting occurred. Luckily the ways were chromed and / or heavily lubed and didn't suffer. However, the spindle bearings in my big machine were buggered although I was able to get good quality replacements at reasonable cost (I count myself as lucky there). I'll never know if the bearings were like that when I got the machine but they certainly don't like water in 'em.

                  Looks like a fine (Yogoslavian) machine but you'd need to be prepared to remove the table / saddle etc and / or dive into the spindle. I reckon it could eat a Bridgeport alive….

                  NB: lathes.co.uk looks as if they have a manual for one of them (you'd need to check it's the right one). He reckons it's a rebadged Prvomajska G301 machine, of which there seem to be quite a few different models.

                  Sure enough, Google suggests it is indeed a Prvomajska G301 model, so the lathes.co.uk manual may well be the one you want if you can afford it…..

                  Murray

                  #335321
                  sean logie
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                    I’m not buying ,I was just curious .

                    Sean

                    #335323
                    Muzzer
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                      Somewhere near Inverness by the looks of your profile, so if anyone out that way fancies a big project, they could get in touch with you. Looks to have been a nice machine in its day.

                      Murray

                      #335325
                      sean logie
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                        It’s a shame it’s been left outside or it would’ve been in my shed by now ?300 odd is asking price , I’m sure they could knocked down a bit . The mill is in Inverurie about 60 odd mile away .

                        Sean

                        Edited By sean logie on 04/01/2018 17:13:34

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                        Alan Waddington 2
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                          Posted by sean logie on 04/01/2018 17:12:03:
                          It's a shame it's been left outside or it would've been in my shed by now ?300 odd is asking price , I'm sure they could knocked down a bit . The mill is in Inverurie about 60 odd mile away .

                          Sean

                          Edited By sean logie on 04/01/2018 17:13:34

                          That would clean up no problem, and at that price it's too good not to buy if your local………

                          #335337
                          sean logie
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                            Stop it Alan 😁😉😂

                            #472009
                            Steven Bray
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                              c791b233-48ef-4b4d-8166-592676151e92.jpegb7b1e88f-348f-4f39-9de2-2530255037be.jpeg9400a2c6-3fee-4a89-ba93-7191c731a3d7.jpegI took the plunge and bought the mill.

                              I replace every bearing including the spindle bearings, which cost a small fortune.

                              A complete strip down of the machine was required, every nut and bolt.
                              The slide ways cleaned up using scotchbrite

                              I rewired the machine new switch gear etc, stripped down the motors and re-varnished them.

                              Everything on the machine works as it should, the only thing wrong with the machine was a blown fuse in the antiquated wiring. 99% of the damage was because the machine was left outside.

                              A quick coat of paint and that was it.

                              With the price I paid for the machine and the cost of parts, it totalled around £1400

                               

                               

                              Edited By JasonB on 15/05/2020 20:12:22

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                              Thor 🇳🇴
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                                Hi Steven,

                                It looks much better now, well done. I wish I had room for something similar in my tiny workshop.

                                Thor

                                #472082
                                Ady1
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                                  Looks fantastic, a fantastic job

                                  Well done you

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