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1 July 2017 at 19:26 #305103
Mick Henshall
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Hi folks—-can anyone give me the overall dimensions (height x depth x width) of shaper so I can see where I can fit in workshop, I have trawled internet but no luck so far, just bought from Home & Workshop Machinery and waiting delivery, its the under motor version

Cheers Mick
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1 July 2017 at 19:26 #12999
Mick Henshall
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1 July 2017 at 19:50 #305104
charadam
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Doesn't have the dimensions, but the manual is here:

http://neme-s.org/Shaper%20Books/Boxford%20Shaper/Boxford%208%20Inch%20Shaper.pdf

I had the machine a few years ago and the space claim was about 1000×600 – but you have to allow ram space at the rear.

Hope this helps.
1 July 2017 at 20:05 #305108
Mick Henshall
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Cheers have the manual but so far not found footprint,am excited been chasing a shaper for years but always pipped at the post but this time been lucky, much underated machines but getting more popular now

Mick
1 July 2017 at 21:02 #305125
charadam
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I agree that shapers are very underrated, which is why I had one. I was trained on a big'un in the late 60s and learned to appreciate – and respect – them.

However, when I built my workshop the plan was to stop myself from owning too many machines. The space is 10' x 9' and contains a bench, a Chipmaster lathe and Boxford mill. As well as a surface plate, 2 reloading benches, 2 Bisley tool drawer cabinets plus materials storage etc.

There is also some clutter!

The Boxford mill is why the shaper had to go, but I still miss the surfacing capability as well as the gear cutting, and dovetailing with inexpensive tooling.
1 July 2017 at 21:31 #305131
Nick Taylor 2
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Hi Mick, just been out to the garage with a tape measure;

Cabinet is 18 inch wide and I have mine so the front of the cabinet is 40 inch from the wall to allow for full rear movement of the ram. You could maybe get away with less.

Also remember you'll want the left hand side of the machine in the 'open air' so you can get into the motor compartment easily, and obviously its the safest and easiest place to run the machine from.

cheers
1 July 2017 at 22:12 #305136
Mick Henshall
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Nick thats just what I needed thank you for taking the time to help

Mick
2 July 2017 at 09:23 #305156
Steve Pavey
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Out of interest I just measured mine, which is also about 40" away from the wall, the same as Nicks. I like the idea of 'open air' on the motor door side of the cabinet, but that's a bit rare in my workshop. Any serious work on the motor and I have to move it forwards (on a couple of bits of ½" pipe). No need to bolt it down.
8 July 2017 at 07:25 #306063
Mick Henshall
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@mickhenshall99321
Shaper arrived Thursday, all stripped down on Friday for a clean, its 3 phase but have a single phase 3/4 hp motor runs at 1440 rpm I am going to use instead, does anyone know where I can get an exploded parts drawing ? Been looking for one of these for ages feeling like a kid in a sweetshop

Apologies photo designed to give you neck ache

Edited By Neil Wyatt on 08/07/2017 11:42:44
8 July 2017 at 08:43 #306079
Mick Henshall
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Couple more shots, not having 3 phase supply have a 1 phase 3/4 horse motor to fit
8 July 2017 at 09:17 #306084
thaiguzzi
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Very clean. Hope you got the vice with it.

Also leave enough access to the door for stroke adjustment. Unlike others posted above, mine is stroke adjustment door side against the wall, just enough space to get at it.
8 July 2017 at 09:39 #306091
John Hinkley
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I can't help with the exploded diagram, but I do have a pdf of the operator's manual. It has metric equivalent dimensions and capacities which look as if they've been inserted after publication. PM me if you don't already have it and would like a copy.

John
8 July 2017 at 10:33 #306100
Gray62
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Mick,

I've never found a proper exploded parts diagram however, there are some drawings on the boxford spares site which may be of some use to you. They are a relatively simple machine, there are a number of us on here that have this machine so, If you have questions, ask away and I'm sure one of us will be able to help
8 July 2017 at 10:36 #306101
Mick Henshall
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Hi John, Â thanks I have the pdf, tguzzi- yes I will got to find the best place for it before I start putting it back together and no didn't get the vice, saw one for £275 (ouch!!) So will use a milling vice for now and maybe make a low profile one later

Mick
8 July 2017 at 10:41 #306105
Mick Henshall
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Thanks Graeme will have a look, just got the electics out, going to drop motor assembly so I can fit replacement motor single phase don't know if I can use existing 440v switches or have to put 220v switches in

Mick
8 July 2017 at 10:44 #306106
Mick Henshall
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Graeme, had a quick look at spares site just what I need I am much obliged

Mick
8 July 2017 at 16:02 #306149
OuBallie
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Mick,

You will be mesmerised by it's action, BUT do, however, fit a guard on the front to deflect the blue swarf that flies off, onto the tray.

Mine with DIY handles

Geoff – Day off organising Ruby repairs photos
17 January 2023 at 17:09 #629881
Michael Bryan
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bumping an old thread here but i just got a mk1 version.

single phase but need to sort wiring as the 3phase switch thermal overload isn't high enough for the 240v motor.

Any pointers also welcome, cheers Mikey
17 January 2023 at 18:37 #629886
peak4
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Posted by Michael Bryan on 17/01/2023 17:09:45:

bumping an old thread here but i just got a mk1 version.

single phase but need to sort wiring as the 3phase switch thermal overload isn't high enough for the 240v motor.

Any pointers also welcome, cheers Mikey

Hello and welcome; where in the world are you, as it might assist others in helping you with any queries you may have?
Sorry, can't assist with the wiring, as mine is 3 phase.
I kept the push button NVR panel, but replaced the contactors with microswitches to control an inverter housed in the cabinet.

Mine didn't have the vertical feed gears; if yours hasn't either, you may find this post useful
https://www.model-engineer.co.uk/forums/postings.asp?th=181598

Bill
17 January 2023 at 19:28 #629893
Ady1
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@ady1
If it's not tied down then make sure it's on the slowest speed when you start it up or it could quite literally go for a walk

And check it's wired the right way round, the ram moves slow for the cut, fast for the return because of the geometrics
17 January 2023 at 20:02 #629898
Peter Simpson 3
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Well I was not aware the the ram moves at different speeds. I have a Boxford shaper, 3 phase running off an inverter. Never notices the different speeds. Will have a look tomorrow.
17 January 2023 at 22:24 #629908
Roy Birch
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I have a single phase one and I do not notice a speed difference with cut and return stroke.
17 January 2023 at 22:31 #629910
Peter Simpson 3
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Looking at the mechanics of the flywheel and the linkage to the ram there is no way different speeds could be achieved.. The thrust of the cutting stroke does slow down if the cut is to heavy. not by design more to do with workload.
18 January 2023 at 01:22 #629921
peak4
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Posted by Peter Simpson 3 on 17/01/2023 22:31:25:

Looking at the mechanics of the flywheel and the linkage to the ram there is no way different speeds could be achieved.. The thrust of the cutting stroke does slow down if the cut is to heavy. not by design more to do with workload.

Have a look for Whitworth Quick Return Mechanism, and then observe a machine in action through the side door
The effect is more noticeable for long strokes than short, but don't forget to select a lower belt speed, and turn it by hand before running under power.

See also, this article, though there are many others
https://studentlesson.com/definition-applications-components-types-working-advantages-and-disadvantages-of-quick-return-mechanism/

For The Boxford 8", This diagram from the spares site
shows the arrangement of the bull wheel

https://www.boxford-software.com/spares/NewImages/SHAPER/rocker%20assy.png

Bill

Edited By peak4 on 18/01/2023 01:36:42
18 January 2023 at 01:42 #629923
Ady1
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Here's a good example of a shaper working backwards

none of them even noticed either

Edited By Ady1 on 18/01/2023 01:43:32
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