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    Greensands
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      #631804
      Greensands
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        @greensands

        Being somewhat addicted to watching some the very good videos showing amazing feats of engineering skills being carried out in very primitive surroundings I have often noticed that when turning a disc or casting in the 3 jaw the cutter can often be seen to be cutting from the centre outwards. I my home workshop I have always worked from the outside towards the centre and so my question is: What are the advantages if any from working from the centre outwards when turning in the lathe and are there special reasons for working in this manner?

        #631808
        bernard towers
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          @bernardtowers37738

          Turning outwards at the final cut allows you to use a little used part of the tool (sharper) and the geometry is changed.

          #631819
          duncan webster 1
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            When facing off pipe I always work from the centre outwards, then the burr is easily removed with a file.

            #631828
            JasonB
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              @jasonb

              Sure fire way to chip an insert unless there is a hole in the middle of the work so you can put on the cut without risk of having the tip beyond ctr and the work coming up as you put on the cut.

              #631832
              Hopper
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                @hopper

                Greensands, can you post a link to one or two of the videos you mention showing this? Would be real interested to watch. I find the videos of lathework etc coming out of India, Pakistan and Indonesia, Vietnam etc fascinating because of little snippets like this.

                It may be that on a lathe with loose headstock bearings, cutting outward from the centre reduces chatter because the cutting forces are pushing the job away from the tool, not pushing it towards the tool and causing dig-ins/chatter. I will have to try it next time in the shed. (Noting Jason's wise proviso about indexable tips and the need for a centre hole, or use HSS.)

                They do seem to do some amazing stuff in some of those videos, once you get past the lack of WHS by our standards and focus on the job in hand. One thing I have noticed though is that 3 foot of pipe on the chuck key seems to be universal standard operating procedure.

                #631834
                JasonB
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                  I do it sometimes depending on the job, I you want a flat bottomed recess in the end of a part then It's easier to put on the cut in the middle and work out as most boring bars are made that way.

                  Not India but just my shed, turning into an internal corner, also on large work it saves the cross slide having to be wound right out maybe beyond it's travel

                   
                  I'll also often do it if turning  a spigot on a part. If you reduce the diameter in several passes the face of the shoulder will show steps, Once the final pass to diameter is cut I wind the cross slide out which takes a light cut across the shoulder
                   
                  As some of these guys are on piecework it can pay to take a cut both ways rather than be non productive winding the tool out to put on another cut

                  Edited By JasonB on 03/02/2023 07:43:20

                  Edited By JasonB on 03/02/2023 07:45:07

                  #631870
                  not done it yet
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                    @notdoneityet

                    Depending on the lathe, etc, one disadvantage might be the possibility of damaging the cross feed drive…..

                    Edited By not done it yet on 03/02/2023 12:27:33

                    #631871
                    Martin Connelly
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                      Hopper, Joe Pieczynski (Pie for short) does this frequently.

                      Example of turning from the centre outwards at 03:20

                      Martin C

                      #631910
                      Howard Lewis
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                        Like Jason, from time to time I use a Boring Bar, fed outwards from a central hole or centre deilling, to produce a flat bottom recess.

                        Howard

                        #631952
                        samuel heywood
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                          @samuelheywood23031

                          Not sure if this is best practice~ It probably isn't ~

                          but sometimes i face from edge to centre, then feed the tool in some more for the return journey~ saves time on a job that seems to be taking too long.

                          Makes the most of all those hand wheel turns.wink

                          #631956
                          samuel heywood
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                            I've just remembered another reason you might want to face from center outwards~

                            This may be a small lathe chuck problem rather than a large lathe chuck problem.

                            I was facing an irregular shape in the 4 jaw, roughly round in center, going out to two long slim 'arms' so a rather interrupted cut.

                            Facing from outside to center the item kept being knocked out of true as i started the pass.

                            I got quite frustrated. Then idea

                            Working from center to edge cured the problem.

                            #632539
                            John Reese
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                              On my South Bend 10K and my Nardini 16 x 40 the power feeds are set up so that when the carriage feed is toward the chuck the cross feed is away from the center. I assume the lathe designers assumed the normal facing direction would be from the center outward. I normally face feeding inward so I have to reverse the feed when facing.

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                              Mike Hurley
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                                I would feel that the type of tooling being used is a consideration as most HSS have rakes ground such that they essentially cut primarily leftwards or right! Inserts are a different matter as they will be unidirectional.

                                Samuel's observation about irregular pieces being knocked out of true makes me wonder if either the mounting was inadequate or the initial cuts were too heavy (or a combination), as I can't see any difference between the direction of cut causing the issue – even when working centre outwards you will still experience the same irregular parts that cause vibration etc

                                I often cut in both directions, but as I use HSS a lot, the outward cut is usually very light, more a case of feeling I am doing something useful whizzing the feed handle around rather than just winding it back!

                                From all the replies to date, I still don't see a convincing case that it might always be better 'outward'

                                regards Mike

                                #632563
                                Martin Kyte
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                                  @martinkyte99762

                                  It's probably safer that way (Myfords do it like that). If you are in parallel turning mode and hit the wrong feed then at least you will not plunge into the work and smash something. Could just be that it requires less gearing too.

                                  regards Martin

                                  #632883
                                  Tony Pratt 1
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                                    Posted by John Reese on 08/02/2023 01:57:25:

                                    On my South Bend 10K and my Nardini 16 x 40 the power feeds are set up so that when the carriage feed is toward the chuck the cross feed is away from the center. I assume the lathe designers assumed the normal facing direction would be from the center outward. I normally face feeding inward so I have to reverse the feed when facing.

                                    Just checked my Warco 290V, when the carriage feed is toward the chuck the cross feed is towards the center. I personally don't think it makes a jot of difference either way, I tend to face inwards and then come out on the same setting, a sort of spring cut I suppose you could call it.

                                    Tony

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