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    Michael Brett 1
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      @michaelbrett1

      Hello all

      Just delving into the world of clocks. Can anyone recommend a good general oil for clock lubrication with a uk stockist.

      Many thanks.

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      #11350
      Michael Brett 1
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        @michaelbrett1

        What oil to use

        #619284
        Bizibilder
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          @bizibilder

          If you google "clock oil" you will find several. Cousins, Meadows and Passmore (closed at the moment apparently) John Wardle clocks

          #619285
          JasonB
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            @jasonb

            I use this one on my smaller engines for minimal drag, not tried it on a clock though

            #619286
            Bazyle
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              @bazyle

              Some time ago when people still used mechanical clocks a repairer told me he loved '3in1' oil. Not because he used it for clocks but other people did so then a little later he got the job of cleaning it and oiling it properly. Modern equivalent is probably WD40, again do not use on clocks.

              #619289
              Fowlers Fury
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                @fowlersfury

                Generally recognised as the top clock oil is "Moebius 8030" – a Swiss oil which doesn't oxidise leaving a sticky residue as would 3-In-1 and the like.

                Not cheap I'm afraid but worth it if you want the best:-

                **LINK**

                #619290
                Andrew Tinsley
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                  @andrewtinsley63637

                  I use silicone oil. The type used in vacuum diffusion pumps. It has a very low vapour pressure and this means that it lasts a long time after application.. It also doesn't oxidise readily, so it doesn't degenerate like a normal oil.

                  Andrew.

                  Edited By Andrew Tinsley on 31/10/2022 20:35:43

                  #619292
                  Martin Kyte
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                    @martinkyte99762

                    Cousins offerings

                    https://www.cousinsuk.com/category/natural-oils

                    regards Martin

                    #619300
                    roy entwistle
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                      @royentwistle24699

                      Depends on the clock. A carriage clock will need watch oils on the platform. A French clock possibly likewise. Long case will need something heavier. Suppliers like Cousins, Walsh, Meadow & Passmore or A G Thomas

                      #619306
                      Huub
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                        @huub

                        When the clock maker stopped maintaining my fathers clock on a yearly base, he gave me some oil and showed me how to oil the clock. I have used this oil for 30 years to oil my fathers clock (and others) and it is still running.

                        Today it is the first time I looked what type it is. It shows "Shimano selected by Koga". Some kind of bicycle oil?

                        #619310
                        Michael Gilligan
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                          @michaelgilligan61133
                          Posted by Huub on 31/10/2022 23:21:00:

                          When the clock maker stopped maintaining my fathers clock on a yearly base, he gave me some oil and showed me how to oil the clock. I have used this oil for 30 years to oil my fathers clock (and others) and it is still running.

                          Today it is the first time I looked what type it is. It shows "Shimano selected by Koga". Some kind of bicycle oil?

                          .

                          Very likely …

                          **LINK**

                          https://www.koga.com/en/about-koga/history

                          … and probably none-the-worse for that.

                          MichaelG.

                          #619325
                          Nigel Bennett
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                            @nigelbennett69913

                            What you want is this stuff; Proops were selling it a few years ago but I'm not sure if it's still available.

                            cock oil.jpg

                            #619327
                            Mark Rand
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                              @markrand96270

                              Don't use anchor oil. It goes gummy in less than 25 years!

                              #619331
                              Fowlers Fury
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                                @fowlersfury

                                Re: "PROOPS" image above……… was it any good for hens as well?

                                #619332
                                Samsaranda
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                                  @samsaranda

                                  The Moebius clock oil recommended by Fowlers Fury works out at £1,200 per litre when purchased in 20 ml bottle from Amazon, certainly a tad more expensive than 3in1 oil, expensive hobby clocks. Dave W

                                  #619333
                                  Fowlers Fury
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                                    @fowlersfury

                                    Re " The Moebius clock oil recommended by Fowlers Fury works out at £1,200 per litre"

                                    Over-oiling is a known cause of clock problems, more so of course with inappropriate oil.
                                    Oil should be applied from a needle just carrying a minute amount to the spindle or oil pit.
                                    In the early 90s I purchased 3 x 1ml of Moebius oil from M & P and after servicing many clocks since then, I have used less than 0.75ml. That part-used bottle shows no crystallisation or gum around the cap after 30 years.
                                    The link I provided earlier to the Fleabay stockist was only to provide information. Other stockists on that site sell Moebius in 1ml bottles for about £8. Scale that up to one litre …………

                                    #619342
                                    bernard towers
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                                      @bernardtowers37738

                                      you don't have a Ferrari and put Duckams 20/50 in it why would you use inferior oil on something that's taken a good portion of your leisure time making

                                      #619344
                                      Mike Poole
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                                        @mikepoole82104
                                        Posted by Nigel Bennett on 01/11/2022 09:36:02:

                                        What you want is this stuff; Proops were selling it a few years ago but I'm not sure if it's still available.

                                        cock oil.jpg

                                        I thought the original poster wanted something for his timekeeping equipment, this is a more specialist lubrication area.

                                        Mike

                                        #619345
                                        Michael Brett 1
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                                          @michaelbrett1

                                          No its certainly CLOCK oil I need. Got some on order now, and yes you are right , its not cheap.

                                          Cheers Mike

                                          #619360
                                          DMB
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                                            @dmb

                                            Proops "Cock" Oil?

                                            Really?

                                            Seems rather sexist!

                                            Wot about the hens?

                                            #619362
                                            duncan webster 1
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                                              @duncanwebster1

                                              £1200/litre, similar price to printer ink. Sounds like a similar rip off as well. It would be interesting to know what's in it that makes it so expensive. Mermaids tears?

                                              #619364
                                              Michael Gilligan
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                                                @michaelgilligan61133
                                                Posted by duncan webster on 01/11/2022 18:22:06:

                                                … It would be interesting to know what's in it that makes it so expensive. …

                                                .

                                                Research, Intellectual Property, … all that sort of stuff

                                                **LINK** https://www.moebius-lubricants.ch/en/products/oils

                                                At least the aforementioned Clock Oil is ‘non-spreading’

                                                … some of the others require epilame treatment to be applied to the plates.

                                                MichaelG.

                                                #619368
                                                duncan webster 1
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                                                  @duncanwebster1

                                                  well that's really helpful. It just says 100% synthetic. I can get synthetic oil for my car at £40/gallon. I do realise that it wouldn't be much use in a clock. I suspect the clock oil is priced at what people will pay rather than what it costs

                                                  #619374
                                                  Fowlers Fury
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                                                    @fowlersfury

                                                    If you've been subject to the disheartening request "Would you mind having a look please at my father's/grandfather's old clock, it won't go anymore?" Then had to do a total dismantle followed by putting every part in the ultrasonic bath to try & remove old, caked-on, dust-laden, sticky, cheap, household lubricating oil ~ then you'd appreciate buying the best clock oil is worthwhile.
                                                    Otherwise, if you feel the need to lubricate your old bedside Westclox alarm, then use Pound Shop oil.

                                                    As for justifying the cost of Moebius oil at equivalent of £8,000 / litre ~~~ as before, I've used about 0.75ml in 30 years on many clocks which works out around £8 divided by 30 or 27p per year.

                                                    #619399
                                                    Sam Stones
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                                                      @samstones42903

                                                      Adding additional support, particularly in relation to Fowlers Fury posts, as a ‘One-Clock-Expert’ I deliberately let rip with a spray can of stuff not only on my ‘one and only’ (unfinished) timepiece but that of the mechanism of a commercial longcase clock belonging to a late friend. It had stopped working so it obviously needed spraying according to the many claims of said stuff.

                                                      That was at least thirty years ago long before I knew better.

                                                      Stepping back even further … well you can read the paragraph for yourselves taken from a seven part article I wrote for Model Engineer…………

                                                      Building John Stevens’ Skeleton Clock – Part 1 – #4526 – 22 Jan 2016

                                                      By about 1976, and because of a couple of technical setbacks, none the least being the balance spring, I shelved the project, literally. There it stood slowly gathering dust, rust, and some sort of hard, brown tarnish. A liberal dose of a well-known water-repellent spray seemed to have helped in developing this hard coating. It covered every piece of brass. Protection of the steel parts (especially the arbours) was also lacking. These latter issues only became obvious years later, when I was eventually encouraged to finish the clock and began to pull it apart.

                                                      When I finally finished the clock, I received a gift from an extremely generous clockmaker.

                                                      About 2ml each of three grades of clock oil. Enough to last centuries. So maybe you can find someone similarly generous?

                                                      Sam cool

                                                      Almost brass monkey weather here in Melbourne

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