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  • #611941
    Dr. MC Black
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      @dr-mcblack73214

      Ladies & Gentlemen

      I appreciate that it's NOT ideal but it would be helpful if I could use BA size spanners and nut spinners on Metric nuts (if I don't have the correct metric size).

      Can anybody help by telling me what size metric nuts, BA spanners will fit, please?

      There's always a little "slack" between the nut and the jaws of the spanner but I've NOT been able to find this tabulated (Clearly "Google" is my enemy!)

      Very many thanks

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      #11299
      Dr. MC Black
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        @dr-mcblack73214

        Request for Assistance, please

        #611943
        roy entwistle
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          @royentwistle24699

          Use spanners for the size intended.

          #611945
          Adrian R2
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            @adrianr2

            "BA spanner sizes in mm" gave me this, scroll down page to find appropriate table. Whether the spanners actually fit will probably also depend on manufacturing tolerances, not worth it for anything more than finger tight I suspect or you will start rounding things off.

            Bacon's Dozen Spanner Sizes

            #611947
            JasonB
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              @jasonb

              In the long run probably better to get some metric nut spinners rather than round off your nuts. If you want to use BA on the metric then why not just try what you have and make a not of what fits what as spanners and spinners can vary in size a bit.

              I find these metric spinners nice to use and the OD of the "socket" is not too large. SW is the A/F. They also have smaller ones down to 1mm.

              If you look at these spinners from Model Fixings they list the metric, BA and UNC hex that each size fits but there are not many BA ones that fit

              Edited By JasonB on 01/09/2022 09:49:59

              #611948
              Clive Foster
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                @clivefoster55965

                Quick Google and a little spreadsheet maths gives :-

                M1.6 – 9 BA, M2 – 7 BA, M2.5 – 5 BA, M3 & M3.5 – 4 BA, M5 – 3BA, M6 – 0 BA

                Generally the BA spanner oversize is 0.2 to 0.4 mm on nominal across flats dimensions so fit should be pretty OK.

                But as Roy says best to use the right sizes, spanners are cheap these days.

                Clive

                #611953
                robjon44
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                  @robjon44

                  Hi all, many years ago I made spiders & double ended nut runners based on cap screws of the appropriate sizes in metric & imperial sizes & with hindsight they lasted for decades & are now parked in screws on my small lathe poised & ready to spring into action, ( unlike me), fit like a glove & really only a few minutes work to make.

                  Bob H

                  #611957
                  SillyOldDuffer
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                    @sillyoldduffer

                    I wonder if Dr Black is having the same problem I had starting out – finding someone in the UK who sold small metric spinners and box spanners!

                    No shortage of them in BA but it took me a long time to source metric equivalents. For some reason large metric spanners were much easier to find than little ones.

                    I agree it's not good to use BA spanners on metric heads – anything remotely tight tends to chew up.

                    Dave

                    #611982
                    Dave Daniels
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                      @davedaniels93256
                      Posted by SillyOldDuffer on 01/09/2022 12:01:58:

                      someone in the UK who sold small metric spinners and box spanners!

                      Dave

                      https://cpc.farnell.com/duratool/d03445/nut-driver-set-7pc/dp/TL21107

                      Quality is fine for my requirements for not too many ££s. Although the P&P cranks the cost up if you come below the 'Free P&P' threshold.

                      D.

                      #611997
                      john fletcher 1
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                        @johnfletcher1

                        RS Components used the sell BA and Metric nut spinners and maybe Cromwell tools do as well. John

                        #612017
                        bernard towers
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                          @bernardtowers37738

                          just measure the jaws

                          #612027
                          DMB
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                            @dmb

                            Socket head screws will fit relevant nuts. What I mean is metric skt hds will fit metric hexhds, but the right size skt screw will do certain BA hex hds, simply because metric sized stock has been used to make BA screws. I doubt if any BA sized hex is made these days that can be used to make screws like they used to. "World has moved on".

                            #612049
                            Dr. MC Black
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                              @dr-mcblack73214
                              Posted by JasonB on 01/09/2022 09:47:02:

                              I find these metric spinners nice to use and the OD of the "socket" is not too large. SW is the A/F. They also have smaller ones down to 1mm.

                              Unfortunately,I do NOT understand German and "Google" was unable to translate for me. It seems that "Google really hates me!

                              But thanks for taking the trouble to write

                              (I thought that I had posted this earlier today – but it doesn't appear!)

                              #612050
                              peak4
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                                @peak4
                                Posted by Dr. MC Black on 02/09/2022 00:46:43:

                                Unfortunately,I do NOT understand German and "Google" was unable to translate for me. It seems that "Google really hates me!

                                But thanks for taking the trouble to write

                                (I thought that I had posted this earlier today – but it doesn't appear!)

                                Top left hand corner of the page is a German flag, behind it is a Union flag, or try This Link, which might go to the English page
                                https://ghw-modellbau.de/Socket-wrench-with-long-handle-CrV

                                Alternatively try an ebay search for Expo Nut Runners, where you will find individual and sets, for both metric & BA

                                Bill

                                Edited By peak4 on 02/09/2022 01:04:24

                                #612060
                                JasonB
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                                  @jasonb

                                  I managed OK before they had the English version of their site and my German is pants too.

                                  I do have the Expo ones bought at a show but like the Farnell ones linked to above have quite large OD ends which on small engines can restrict access. Also be aware that the Expo BA set is actually supplied as metric with a couple of them fitting BA, at least mine was.

                                  #612067
                                  Michael Gilligan
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                                    @michaelgilligan61133
                                    Posted by Dr. MC Black on 02/09/2022 00:46:43:

                                    Posted by JasonB on 01/09/2022 09:47:02:

                                    I find these metric spinners nice to use and the OD of the "socket" is not too large. SW is the A/F. They also have smaller ones down to 1mm.

                                    Unfortunately,I do NOT understand German and "Google" was unable to translate for me. It seems that "Google really hates me!

                                    .

                                    You may get on better with DeepL 

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                                    This is the free version, which proves entirely adequate for my present needs:

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                                    MichaelG.

                                    Edited By Michael Gilligan on 02/09/2022 07:49:52

                                    #612133
                                    File Handle
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                                      @filehandle

                                      Although I have a good selection of Whitworth, BA, AF, Metric spanners and sockets, and even my dad's old magneto spanners, I also have a selection of adjustable and stilson spanners. I know it will upset some but I don't have a problem using adjustable spanners, especially on small sizes.
                                      I grew up on a farm and it was often necessary to use what was in a tractor toolbox, rather than waste time going back to a workshop, At times I would make available spanners fit by filling the gap with a flat screwdriver, or thin spanner.
                                      Some of my spanners have been modified by previous owners e.g, a 3/8 Whit that is enlarged to 3/4 AF. i guess a previous owner was short of a 3/4 spanner. The only one that hangs on my spanner wall that I remember modifying is a 3/16 combination spanner that has the ring bent at 90deg., used when I didn't have a deep enough socket.
                                      Just incase I give the impression of being a metal butcher, I was using 2BA bolts this afternoon, I had a 2BA spanner on one end and a 2BA box spanner on the other end.

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