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    Peter Simpson 3
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      @petersimpson3

      Looking for a indexable lathe tool set for my Myford S7 as a Christmas present to myself. Can anybody recommend a good quality set ?

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      Peter Simpson 3
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        #575785
        Baz
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          @baz89810

          I would have recommended JB Cutting tools but I note that they have decided to stop trading until the spring so I would look at Glanze tools stocked by Chronos and also look at what ARC Eurotrade have to offer.

          #575787
          Lee Rogers
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            @leerogers95060

            Another thumbs up for the Chronos Glanz tools , not the cheapest not the dearest but far better at the job than my first economy set which are long gone the way of all cheap tools.

            #575789
            old mart
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              @oldmart

              I can recommend the Glanz also, I have some, and the ARC 95 degree type, but not the 45 degree ones.

              #575790
              Anonymous

                Personally I wouldn't buy a set, but individual holders as required. Initially I looked at sets, but it turned out the inserts were specials, not readily available. Even after 15+ years of using insert tooling most of my needs are met by four holders, excluding thread cutting. So it's unlikely one will be using all the holders in a set.

                My insert boring bars are Glanze. I'm pleased with the boring bars, but the supplied inserts were useless. I use industrial grade inserts with them.

                Andrew

                #575801
                Clive Foster
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                  @clivefoster55965

                  +1 for what Andrew says about buying individual holders to do the jobs you need to do.

                  Best to buy proper industrial holders and industrial inserts too with proper application data support via makers catalogues / internet sites. Having got the data use them as per book. Name brand makes spend a ton of money and effort to make something that works really well when used as advised. Many inserts will work pretty well when driven well outside book figures, usually in our case too slow, but that's always a bit of a crap shoot. Small changes invisible to the user can completely wreck off book performance whilst delivering improvements on book. As I found out when a re-order abandoning the previously OK off book speeds for the new box.

                  Selected and used correctly carbide performance can be awesome but the inserts are expensive and you can't just touch them up like HSS. So it behooves you to do your homework and get the appropriate ones for your work and your machine. Not going to manage that before Christmas!

                  Regrettably model engineer / home workshop price friendly sets are made for the person who has heard that carbide can be a good idea and is tempted to try things out on the cheap. All too often the performance is no better, maybe worse, than skilled sharpened HSS except for things like dealing with abrasive skin, plasmat cut hardened edges et al. Of course getting a sharp, long lasting edge on HSS is a skill many folk have never mastered. I can do a decent job but there are many, many folk better than me.

                  Confession time. I keep a pretty general purpose carbide tool mounted that gets grabbed for quick turning jobs when I don't want to sort out a proper tool. I don't exploit it properly but it manages well enough. Helps that I got about four boxes of inserts silly cheap. When they are gone I probably won't re-order.

                  Clive

                  #575819
                  JasonB
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                    @jasonb

                    Most of mine are Glanze with a few JB, ARC and APT thrown in and were all bought as individuals. A right hand tool, boring bar, and parting tool would be the basic three to start with and I have gone with CCMT and CCGT rhombic shaped inserts for just about all the turning tools which saves having lots of odd shaped inserts, which tend to be from Kennametal or APT.

                    #575836
                    Chris Crew
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                      @chriscrew66644

                      Probably out of ignorance, I bought a cheap set of seven 10mm shank tipped tools for the Myford via eBay, can't think they cost more than £25. The set contained turning tools, screw-cutting tools and boring bars but I can't see exactly the same sets listed now. I was so pleased with them that I ordered the same set in 16mm shank for the Colchester and they were equally as good for my amateur purposes at about thirty quid. I have just looked on eBay and was shocked to see that almost similar items are now selling for between around £85 and £100. These days price is no real guarantee of quality and utility, IMO, I took a chance and won out but I could have equally become unstuck although strangely enough all the supposedly cheap 'crap' from China seems to work perfectly well for me and my purposes. Perhaps it's just me?

                      #575849
                      Dave Halford
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                        @davehalford22513

                        The beauty of a set can be that all the inserts have to same tool height except the boring bar.

                        You do have to be very careful which set you get, there's one UK supplier that only sells replacement inserts as sets so you have to buy 6 you don't want to get the one you need and thats £30 for the 7 tips. Whats worse is they have no idea what the tips are.

                        Personally I tried a cheapy 12mm CCMT 09 set of 4, left ,right, straight and boring bar from the PRC, the 10 pack of tips supplied work but were a bit iffy. The holders are fine, excluding the bar they all have the same centre height so no need to mess with repacking. I also have a JB DCMT tool for times when you need something more pointy.

                        Used with HSS feeds and speeds alloy CCGT are best for finish on steel even en3 comes out well, just dont take big cuts on steel or the tip will chip.

                        #575860
                        SillyOldDuffer
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                          @sillyoldduffer

                          As always with sets, people are either for or against them!

                          Sets generally work out cheaper than buying the same tools one at a time but not if the set contains more than a few tools you never use. And some sets contain odd assortments!

                          The risk of buying a useless tool is unacceptable to the sort of Model Engineer who loves a bargain. (Often a short-armed individual who keeps his wallet padlocked at the bottom of a very deep pocket! i.e. Most of us.) Sets are also avoided by professional engineers because buying too cheap, too expensive or unnecessary is an excellent way of bankrupting a business.

                          Boils down to:

                          • buy individual tools IF you already know exactly what you need,
                          • buy a set IF you don't know exactly what's needed. Exploring a set to find which tools are useful is valuable learning, especially for self-taught machinists.

                          What you need depends on what you do and your machine. My mini-lathe wasn't stiff enough to part-off, so all parting tools are wasted on it. However, the parting tools that failed on a mini-lathe all work well on my WM280, except I don't use them much because a blade tool mounted in a rear-tool post is almost foolproof. On the mini-lathe, (smaller than a Myford), I mostly used Glanze 6mm RH and Facing cutters, and the LH occasionally.

                          Picture of insert holders:

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                          On a WM280, which is notch bigger than a Myford:

                          1. RH 10mm fitted with sharp non-ferrous insert, but also used on mild-steel. Used for fine-work in tight spaces.
                          2. Glanze 6mm Facing tool. Much used on mini-lathe, generally too small for WM280
                          3. Glanze 6mm LH. Occasionally used on mini-lathe and WM280 – for fine work,
                          4. Parting Tool, too big for mini-lathe, brilliant on WM280 with rear tool-post/
                          5. Button Tool, rarely used but irreplaceable when needed.
                          6. Triangular boring bar. Much too big for mini-lathe. Not much used on WM280 because I rarely bore large diameter holes.
                          7. Square insert tool for high-speed metal removal. Produces an unpleasant spray of smoking chips. Requires more power, RPM and rigidity than a 1.5kW WM280 is good for. A tri-cornered cutter or chamfering tool from the same set do the same job in a more civilised way.

                          This image pinched from Warco shows what a range of common inserts do:

                          7-piece-indexable-tips.jpg

                          Dave

                          #575879
                          Chris Mate
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                            @chrismate31303

                            This set from Warco(Green illustration) looks basicly the same as the 10mm set I bought, and their tips all lined up to the same height perfectly, from where I made a small toolpost specificly for them to get more reach, and it works like a dream on small stuff.(Made some aliminium needlefelting tools for wife housing different number of needles).

                            #575911
                            Peter Simpson 3
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                              @petersimpson3

                              Well I was rummaging through the workshop today and came across a set of Glanze tools I purchased years ago. They were under a load of stuff in the depth of my Myford S7 cabinet. Thinking back I just left them there as most of the seven tips appeared to chip very easily so I just gave up on them. I checked the web and today you would pay £130 for the set now !. As has been said above I will need to look for some CMMT industrial tips. Thanks for the info.

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