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  • #10733
    Philip A
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      #532268
      Philip A
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        @philipa30666

        I've been getting on with my new Sieg Mini Mill great. But swarf and flying chips are becoming a problem, they go onto the dovetails behind the x-y table and onto the floor and carry on shoes. The Arceurotrade mill doesn't come with those rubber bellows.

        Has anyone got a quick or low cost solution?

        #532269
        John Hinkley
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          @johnhinkley26699

          Philip,

          Arc sell the bellows you're after. A phone call or email on Monday should provide you with a suggestion for which style and size to go for. As for the chips flying about onto the floor and getting trodden into the house – well, apart from holding a vacuum cleaner nozzle up to the work as you machine, I have no solution. If you come up with one, the hobbyists will beat a path to your door, as will the domestic goddesses!

          John

          #532274
          Frances IoM
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            @francesiom58905

            the rubber matting sold for workshops (the one with many holes) will trap quite a bit of flying swarf – I made a simple clip on transparent guard to the table of my small X1 but this restricts placement of vice etc but ok for many jobs – a special pair of shoes/slipons/safety shoes depending on type of work worn only in workshop + exchanged at boundary will help as will spare carpet laid near door

            #532278
            Journeyman
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              @journeyman

              You could try something like this:-

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              Bit difficult to see as the polycarbonate sheet is very clear. Must admit I don't use it very much but it is there if I need it. When not in use folds away to the column. More details here ** Journeyman's Workshop **

              John

              #532280
              Mike Hurley
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                @mikehurley60381

                Unfortunately most plastic type guards just seem to get in the way no matter how cleverly desgigned or positioned. A magnetic swarf picker-upper tool is great for around the machine and on the floor. I made my own out of copper tubing in an hour or so, but you can buy them.

                Obviously of little use for non-ferrous stuff though! That's a vacuum / brush job.

                regards. Mike

                #532286
                Philip A
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                  @philipa30666
                  Posted by Journeyman on 07/03/2021 08:56:38:

                  You could try something like this:-

                  screen1.jpg

                  Bit difficult to see as the polycarbonate sheet is very clear. Must admit I don't use it very much but it is there if I need it. When not in use folds away to the column. More details here ** Journeyman's Workshop **

                  John

                  I like this idea as a small guard would fit nicely around the back of the vice. Haven't found any small ones online though aside from a metal camping stove wind guard.

                  #532347
                  larry phelan 1
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                    @larryphelan1

                    You can get small magnets from Ali Express already drilled, which will almost pick up the vise, never mind the chips !

                    I have one of them screwed to a piece of dowel rod and it has no bother picking up my visegrip from the floor every time I drop it [dont ask how often that is ]

                    I find that it is ideal for cleaning up the mill table and the lathe, cheap and effective.

                    #532872
                    Nigel Graham 2
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                      @nigelgraham2

                      Whatever slide-way screen my Myford VMC mill had originally, was missing when I bought the machine second-hand. I made a basic knee and vertical slide protector using left-over butyl garden-pond liner, held by the existing strip on the cross-slide, and a length of thin aluminium-angle screwed to the existing holes in the column.

                      The sheet also protects the elaborate metalwork I had to build to hold the cross-travel DRO strip.

                      The angle forms a little shelf, so I drilled a few holes in it to store things like the drill-chuck key and edge 'wiggler'.

                      I may see what ArcEuro can offer in that size though, ready for when the pond-liner eventually expires, though it seems to be holding up well.

                      #532877
                      Windy
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                        @windy30762

                        One of my problems with swarth I do a great deal of aluminium milling and turning more on a large scale size.

                        Small chips my vacuum can pick up but bigger bits clog the hose.

                        Is there an ally magnet? I applied for a job years ago at a refuse recycling place and they had something that automatically removed the different assorted metals on a conveyor this was on a small scale.

                        #532919
                        AdrianR
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                          @adrianr18614

                          I have the SX3 and could not justify spending even more on the bellows. I have a roll of 100mm DPC leftover from building the workshop and I have made similar covers for my lathe.

                          They do not help with the floor but does keep it out of all the working parts of the mill. The ply is from the packing crate. For the floor I made a duck board so at least I am not standing in swarf.

                          The Z-Axis is held on with self-adhesive magnetic tape.

                          The table front and rear covers are screwed on.

                          Note: I also made stops for the Y axis which were sadly missing from the original spec.

                           

                          To keep the adjacent benches clean I am planning on buying the clear plastic strips used for freezer curtains and making a semicircular curtain attached to the bottom of the head.

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                          Edited By AdrianR on 10/03/2021 09:55:29

                          #532927
                          Frances IoM
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                            @francesiom58905

                            “Small chips my vacuum can pick up but bigger bits clog the hose.”
                            try to find a smooth wall tube and connect this to a old cyclone rescued from a defunct upright vacuum cleaner (tho I suspect any air tight rigid box would do) and connect this to your vacuum system

                            Is there an ally magnet? ” NO – the metal sorter might well have worked on similar principles to metal detectors in detecting the changes to a tuned RF coil.

                            #532947
                            Journeyman
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                              @journeyman
                              Posted by Windy on 10/03/2021 00:00:11:

                              Is there an ally magnet? I applied for a job years ago at a refuse recycling place and they had something that automatically removed the different assorted metals on a conveyor this was on a small scale.

                              Not as such but they use an eddy current separation system that generates in-built electro magnet within the aluminium. See ** 911 Metallurgist ** for more detail.

                              John

                              #532967
                              Windy
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                                @windy30762
                                Posted by Journeyman on 10/03/2021 11:05:05:

                                Posted by Windy on 10/03/2021 00:00:11:

                                Is there an ally magnet? I applied for a job years ago at a refuse recycling place and they had something that automatically removed the different assorted metals on a conveyor this was on a small scale.

                                Not as such but they use an eddy current separation system that generates in-built electro magnet within the aluminium. See ** 911 Metallurgist ** for more detail.

                                John

                                Now I know how its sorted

                                #532968
                                Windy
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                                  @windy30762
                                  Posted by Journeyman on 10/03/2021 11:05:05:

                                  Posted by Windy on 10/03/2021 00:00:11:

                                  Is there an ally magnet? I applied for a job years ago at a refuse recycling place and they had something that automatically removed the different assorted metals on a conveyor this was on a small scale.

                                  Not as such but they use an eddy current separation system that generates in-built electro magnet within the aluminium. See ** 911 Metallurgist ** for more detail.

                                  John

                                  Now I know how its sorted

                                  #532971
                                  not done it yet
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                                    @notdoneityet

                                    Non-magnetic from magnetic is easy – just a magnetic head drum on a conveyor belt. The non magnetic falls away before the magnetic by half the drum width separation.

                                    #532980
                                    Windy
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                                      @windy30762
                                      Posted by not done it yet on 10/03/2021 12:12:55:

                                      Non-magnetic from magnetic is easy – just a magnetic head drum on a conveyor belt. The non magnetic falls away before the magnetic by half the drum width separation.

                                      The machine I saw working separated the non magnetic metals aluminium, Brass, copper etc.

                                      #533091
                                      Bill Pudney
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                                        @billpudney37759

                                        When my "chariot a vis" (ref albums) was underway, there was a huge amount of mess very quickly as all the big parts were cast iron. A sheet of thin polycarbonate from the local friendly hardware shop was cut up as required and clipped to anything close using bulldog clips. It contained most of the mess, was very cheap, fairly effective. Don't over think it!!

                                        cheers

                                        Bill

                                        #533099
                                        Nigel Graham 2
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                                          @nigelgraham2

                                          Adrian –

                                          Thank you for that tip!

                                          I was wondering what best would shelter the slides and lead-screw on my Harrison lathe's cross-slide, (exposed when the slide is anywhere towards the apron) and a strip of DPC, which I have, might just fit the bill.

                                          #533134
                                          not done it yet
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                                            @notdoneityet

                                            The shoe problem is easy to overcome – change footwear at the workshop door.

                                            #533181
                                            mechman48
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                                              @mechman48

                                              I normally wear slippers in the house but I use a pair of 'Crocs' to go to the garage/man cave then I swap them for a pair of safety trainers, I also put on a pair of cargo pants over my 'joggers' plus donning a warehouse / lab coat with the sleeves rolled up. as for the swarf issue my soluton was to use a piece of formed acrylic to use as a guard..

                                              Guard mods #4

                                              Guard mods #5

                                              ..Yes, I've already had the 'fish tank' comments, but it does the job.

                                              George.

                                              #533257
                                              Peter G. Shaw
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                                                @peterg-shaw75338

                                                I can't help with chips flying away from the machine other than to suggest the screen sold by Arc, I think, which has a magnetic base and thus can be positioned wherever it is needed.

                                                In respect of the dovetails, I have used that damp proof course plastic on the lathe as an extension to the cross-slide and it does seem to work ok.

                                                Otherwise, for the milling machine, mine, a Warco MiniMill, came with corrugated bellows which I found soon split along an interior bend. I have used some bellows supplied by Arc with the same result, and now I'm using an idea I picked up somewhere, by Harold Hall I think, of using cereal package cardboard, lightly scored where it has to bend, and then given a good coating or two of any old polyurethane varnish. This does seem to be lasting rather better than the rubber items, but unfortunately is rather stiff. Perhaps I didn't make the scoring deep enough.

                                                Regards,

                                                Peter G. Shaw

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