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  • #526703
    pgrbff
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      @pgrbff

      I need to buy a grinding stone for my dremel to grind a V in a crack in a cast iron plate. Is aluminium oxide going to work? Will it last long? Is there something better I can use?

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      pgrbff
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        @pgrbff
        #526705
        mechman48
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          @mechman48

          I reckon you should use a carbide burr much better metal removal rate.

          George.

          #526706
          Jeff Dayman
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            @jeffdayman43397

            I'd suggest a 4 1/2" angle grinder with a cutoff disk of 80 or so grit. You may be a long long time and go through many expensive Dremel grindstones doing the vee out with a Dremel.

            "don't bring a knife to a gun fight" as they say in the movies.

            #526712
            Oldiron
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              @oldiron

              You can get carbide burrs for the Dremel. A much better way to do it. An angle grinder is a quicker and dirtier way to go.

              regards

              #526718
              Michael Gilligan
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                @michaelgilligan61133

                Sorry to nit-pick … but surely the choice between Dremel and 4 1/2” angle grinder depends upon the physical size of the job.

                The title mentions “a small crack” and the text mentions “a cast iron plate”

                … any advance on a 6mm long crack in a 50mm square plate, 4mm thick question

                MichaelG.

                #526720
                mechman48
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                  @mechman48

                  For that size… carbide burr !

                  George.

                  #526723
                  Michael Gilligan
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                    @michaelgilligan61133
                    Posted by mechman48 on 12/02/2021 18:13:36:

                    For that size… carbide burr !

                    George.

                    .

                    I agree, George … my point being that we don’t know what the OP meant by small.

                    MichaelG.

                    #526727
                    Grizzly bear
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                      @grizzlybear

                      9 inch 230 mm dia. if its a dinner plate.

                      I blame the lockdown.

                      Regards, Bear..

                      #526730
                      Grindstone Cowboy
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                        @grindstonecowboy

                        Carbide burr gets my vote – not so much because of removal rates, but anything abrasive may (will?) leave contamination embedded in the metal. May or may not be important depending on what you plan to do after forming your V…

                        Rob

                        #526743
                        Dave Halford
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                          @davehalford22513

                          A 2.5mm welding stick needs a 2.5mm vee or you only weld or braze the surface.

                          #526796
                          Pete White
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                            @petewhite15172

                            My input at post no 11 to try to solve this, small or big, problem, lol.

                            Cast iron and plate sort of tells me its an angle grinder job without much doubt, could be wrong often am, as the wife she will confrim that for sure, again without much doubt !

                            I go with The Bear, on both of his points. lol

                            Pete

                            Edited By Pete White on 13/02/2021 08:56:29

                            #526845
                            pgrbff
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                              @pgrbff

                              It's approximately 2" long in a 1/2" thick plate. Some of it is in a corner, that's why I wasn't going to go for the angle grinder option, difficult to get in there and do a tidy job. Really just wanted to know what material was best to grind cast iron. I tried one "pink" grindstone, it was from a cheap multitool and it really isn't lasting very long.

                              Edited By pgrbff on 13/02/2021 11:45:22

                              Edited By pgrbff on 13/02/2021 11:46:12

                              #526849
                              pgrbff
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                                @pgrbff

                                And I couldn't find a carbide burrs on the Dremel website suitable for metal. Any pointers for choosing one that will do the job? You see lots for sale on eBay but I have no idea of quality.

                                #526851
                                Dave Halford
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                                  @davehalford22513

                                  Might be better to use the dremel cut off disc's at an angle to the cut then snap a chuck out with a screwdriver blade. Don't push the dremel, be a shame to cook it.

                                  Dont forget some cast iron welding sticks cannot be machined easily.

                                  Edited By Dave Halford on 13/02/2021 12:00:42

                                  #526854
                                  noel shelley
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                                    @noelshelley55608

                                    The OP has not stated that he intends to weld this, but it's a fair assumption. I would think that a dremel will struggle to do the job. A 4.5" grinder or an air driven die grinder might be better. The success of a burr will depend on the hardness of the iron, and a disc or wheel will soon shatter or wear very quickly if allowed to bounce on the work. To weld or braze, a slow heat up and a long cooling will aid the chances of success. If welding try to buy a rod for cast iron, it will be high nickle and not cheap. Good luck Noel.

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                                    JasonB
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                                      Posted by pgrbff on 13/02/2021 11:51:35:

                                      And I couldn't find a carbide burrs on the Dremel website suitable for metal. Any pointers for choosing one that will do the job? You see lots for sale on eBay but I have no idea of quality.

                                      Keep loading more items onto this Dremel page and you will get to the carbide burrs, or just enter "carbide" in the search

                                      Edited By JasonB on 13/02/2021 12:20:20

                                      #526862
                                      pgrbff
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                                        @pgrbff
                                        Posted by JasonB on 13/02/2021 12:19:22:

                                        Posted by pgrbff on 13/02/2021 11:51:35:

                                        And I couldn't find a carbide burrs on the Dremel website suitable for metal. Any pointers for choosing one that will do the job? You see lots for sale on eBay but I have no idea of quality.

                                        Keep loading more items onto this Dremel page and you will get to the carbide burrs, or just enter "carbide" in the search

                                        Edited By JasonB on 13/02/2021 12:20:20

                                        Thanks. Not sure where I was looking. I thought I'd gone through them all.

                                        Ah, I was looking at the grinding category only.

                                         

                                        Edited By pgrbff on 13/02/2021 12:28:51

                                        #526863
                                        pgrbff
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                                          @pgrbff
                                          Posted by noel shelley on 13/02/2021 12:10:05:

                                          The OP has not stated that he intends to weld this, but it's a fair assumption. I would think that a dremel will struggle to do the job. A 4.5" grinder or an air driven die grinder might be better. The success of a burr will depend on the hardness of the iron, and a disc or wheel will soon shatter or wear very quickly if allowed to bounce on the work. To weld or braze, a slow heat up and a long cooling will aid the chances of success. If welding try to buy a rod for cast iron, it will be high nickle and not cheap. Good luck Noel.

                                          If I can find someone to do it I hope to have it brazed rather than welded. I have used cast iron electrodes myself with an inverter but the result wasn't very tidy, even if it is still holding up several years later.

                                          #526866
                                          pgrbff
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                                            @pgrbff
                                            crack.jpgPosted by Dave Halford on 13/02/2021 11:58:53:

                                            Might be better to use the dremel cut off disc's at an angle to the cut then snap a chuck out with a screwdriver blade. Don't push the dremel, be a shame to cook it.

                                            Dont forget some cast iron welding sticks cannot be machined easily.

                                            Edited By Dave Halford on 13/02/2021 12:00:42

                                            Can't get into the corner with a disc.

                                            Edited By pgrbff on 13/02/2021 12:36:05

                                            #526889
                                            Nick Wheeler
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                                              @nickwheeler

                                              Veeing that out with a Dremel will take about as long as ordering a proper die-grinder and burrs, then waiting at home for it to be delivered. The cost is likely to be similar.

                                              Dremels are like the tools from salesmen at shows; the well thought out spiel makes you think it's worth having, but experience proves otherwise.

                                              #526900
                                              mechman48
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                                                @mechman48

                                                'If I can find someone to do it I hope to have it brazed rather than welded'

                                                Try getting in touch with 'Doubleboost' he has brazed CI before with his TIG set, shown on one of his videos.

                                                George.

                                                #526907
                                                Michael Gilligan
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                                                  @michaelgilligan61133

                                                  Well-said, Nicholas yes

                                                  MichaelG.

                                                  #526914
                                                  Nicholas Farr
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                                                    @nicholasfarr14254

                                                    Hi pgrbff, if it were mine, I would cut along where I've drawn the yellow line first, with a thin in a 4-1/2" angle grinder, aiming aim the best I could judge, to the bottom of the crack and then along the red line as best I could. Don't worry about trying to get into that little corner and you can build the shape back up with weld or brazing.

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                                                    Regards Nick.

                                                    P.S. You can always tidy the V up and take any dirty bits out with a small stone or burr in your Dremel.

                                                    Edited By Nicholas Farr on 13/02/2021 15:47:37

                                                    #526926
                                                    Dave Halford
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                                                      @davehalford22513
                                                      Posted by Nicholas Farr on 13/02/2021 15:43:10:

                                                      Hi pgrbff, if it were mine, I would cut along where I've drawn the yellow line first, with a thin in a 4-1/2" angle grinder, aiming aim the best I could judge, to the bottom of the crack and then along the red line as best I could. Don't worry about trying to get into that little corner and you can build the shape back up with weld or brazing.

                                                      888943.jpg

                                                      Regards Nick.

                                                      P.S. You can always tidy the V up and take any dirty bits out with a small stone or burr in your Dremel.

                                                      Edited By Nicholas Farr on 13/02/2021 15:47:37

                                                      As Nick says above and use these and clamp it to something so it can't move. Nickel is not a hard metal so will machine with HSS, note it says for hot and cold welding and they are being sold by a proper welding supply company.

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