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  • #523218
    pgrbff
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      @pgrbff

      cracked motor plate 1.jpg

      The plate in the attached images is a motor mounting plate from a large cast-iron woodworking bandsaw I am getting back into action.

      The plate is approximately 12mm thick and 24cm by 26cm. 

      I know several people who will tell me they can repair it for me but none of them trained as welders. I'd like to know what might be the best approach before handing it over.

       

      bahdsaw motor plate 2.jpg

      Edited By pgrbff on 28/01/2021 10:38:30

      Edited By pgrbff on 28/01/2021 10:40:07

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      pgrbff
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        @pgrbff
        #523219
        KWIL
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          @kwil

          As it is cast iron, it would best be preheated and then welded by a specialist cast iron welder. Alas my best welder is not now available.

          #523220
          Bo’sun
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            @bosun58570

            Hello,

            As I understand it, welding Cast Iron requires some experience. Best take it to someone who knows what they're doing.

            #523223
            Lynne
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              @lynne

              Have a chat with John Smith 'Doubleboost' Regards, Lynne

              #523225
              john fletcher 1
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                @johnfletcher1

                I had a gear wheel with a broken tooth, my friend a coded welder brazed the tooth back in place, that was several years ago and it still going strong. Perhaps a plate bolted threw, below might be an alterative. John

                #523227
                Mike Poole
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                  @mikepoole82104

                  If I was still working then a good friend who is a skilled welder would have been the first option. Now I don’t have anyone who would do it for mates rates I would probably make a sub plate to go between the motor and the bracket and screw the plate to the bracket with countersunk screws. It may be a candidate for metal stitching but this is likely to be quite costly.

                  Mike

                  Edited By Mike Poole on 28/01/2021 10:59:52

                  #523230
                  Ady1
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                    @ady1

                    You don't have to be a skilled welder to do a basic job

                    Half the farms in Britain must have skilled welders if that was the case

                    #523231
                    pgrbff
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                      @pgrbff
                      Posted by Ady1 on 28/01/2021 11:03:37:

                      You don't have to be a skilled welder to do a basic job

                      Half the farms in Britain must have skilled welders if that was the case

                      I have welded cast iron myself, not very pretty and not particularly weight-bearing but it has held up. I used an inverter and cast iron electrodes.

                      #523233
                      J Hancock
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                        @jhancock95746

                        Worth trying to discover how it came to be broken , what you don't want to do, is build the problem back

                        into the repair.

                        #523234
                        Dave Halford
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                          @davehalford22513

                          As the cast iron has an old crack judging by the rust, I would reinforce the flat side with steel strip bolted to the casting, at least 3mm thick and packing the other end of the motor bracket with the same.

                          Cast iron rods need less current than normal steel ones being mostly Nickel and the ones I got for a cracked exhaust manifold struck really well. Preheat was easy – run the engine after grinding a vee along the crack. The job couldn't wriggle as it was still bolted to the head. The weld out lived the car. Use decent 95% or better nickel rods.

                          #523238
                          Pete Rimmer
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                            @peterimmer30576

                            I would span that crack with a piece of mild stel plate and some screws or bolts. If I was absolutely hell-bent on welding it rather than plating it with a doubler I would either silver solder or tig braze it.

                            #523245
                            ega
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                              @ega

                              The danger of distortion should be kept in mind.

                              #523257
                              Grindstone Cowboy
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                                @grindstonecowboy

                                +1 for brazing. Pre-heat it first and make sure it's really clean. After that, a reinforcing plate probably wouldn't hurt either.

                                Rob

                                #523259
                                noel shelley
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                                  @noelshelley55608

                                  As has been said, being able to weld with some proficiency is a good plan. V out, then the use of cast iron rods which being high nickel are expensive but should run like butter with preheat and slow cooling. If the above is not possible then if the job is worth it get it done by a professional. Noel

                                  #524939
                                  Pete White
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                                    @petewhite15172

                                    Depends what final result you want,appearance wise? To my mind a bolted on plate as mentiioned, L shaped of you want, with a deep vee either side, heated and filled in by someone who can run a rod would be a succesfull repair.

                                    I am thinking this a not a highly stress part, but as someone mentioned why did it crack?

                                    Pete

                                    #524941
                                    pgrbff
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                                      Posted by noel shelley on 28/01/2021 12:44:27:

                                      As has been said, being able to weld with some proficiency is a good plan. V out, then the use of cast iron rods which being high nickel are expensive but should run like butter with preheat and slow cooling. If the above is not possible then if the job is worth it get it done by a professional. Noel

                                      I will try and find someone profficient.

                                      #524942
                                      pgrbff
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                                        @pgrbff
                                        Posted by Grindstone Cowboy on 28/01/2021 12:43:34:

                                        +1 for brazing. Pre-heat it first and make sure it's really clean. After that, a reinforcing plate probably wouldn't hurt either.

                                        Rob

                                        As it is a crack you can cut a V on the outside but how do you clean the insides of the crack you can't see?

                                        I live in a very rural area, there are many local businesses that take in old agricultural machines for repair. Let's hope I pick the right one.

                                        #524946
                                        not done it yet
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                                          @notdoneityet

                                          If it is difficult to get the job done, or it is expensive, Dave H and Pete R have the easier/cheaper solution. Even another 5mm added to the thickness would likely make not a jot of difference to the machine’s operation. Farmers do not usually just weld up broken machinery – they reinforce it at the same time.

                                          #524953
                                          Journeyman
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                                            @journeyman

                                            As the overall mounting plate is flat I would just get a 3mm steel sheet the same size as the whole plate an bolt it on. Redrill the holes for the motor mounts and it's done. If you wanted a belt and braces job you could put some JB weld or similar between the steel and cast iron.

                                            Motor Mounting Plate

                                            John

                                            #525031
                                            Jeff Dayman
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                                              @jeffdayman43397

                                              I'd suggest the steel sub-plate bolt on as well, if you do not have oxy acetylene equipment or a friend skilled in welding.

                                              If it were my bracket, I would grind out the crack to an open vee shape, clean off all adjacent paint, and pre-heat to dull red heat. Then bronze weld / braze with bronze rod the vee'd area with oxy acetylene. Good solid repair.

                                              #525193
                                              Tim Stevens
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                                                @timstevens64731

                                                It might be just as easy to make up a new plate in mild steel and – while you at at it – make the attachment hole with support on both sides, not just in the middle. This is the same device that had a bent Whitworth screw, about a fortnight ago, isn't it?

                                                Cheers, Tim

                                                #525200
                                                pgrbff
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                                                  @pgrbff

                                                  It is the same piece. My difficulty at the moment is that whilst I have the individual small pieces at home, the bulk of the saw is in a friend's warehouse some 20+ km away, so it's difficult to look at them together to see how best to modify them.

                                                  I'm still trying to get a nut or bolt 1/2" BSW to make sure that the size is correct. Brexit now means that £25 worth of filament costs me an extra €30+ to import. It is no longer economical to buy anything from the UK. This is a great shame because I find it much easier to source what I need in the UK and better understand the different brands available.

                                                  #525207
                                                  Richard Hudson 4
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                                                    @richardhudson4

                                                    Your best bet would be to find someone who can stitch the crack together using the metal lock method. This will give a repair that will be far stronger than welding and it will reduce any chance of further stress cracking caused by welding. It could be welded or brazed but a lot of care must be taken with preheating , peening and then the part must be allowed to cool very slowly in an oven . Metal stitching will avoid all the problems mentioned .

                                                    #525228
                                                    Journeyman
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                                                      @journeyman
                                                      Posted by pgrbff on 06/02/2021 12:14:32:
                                                      ….Brexit now means that £25 worth of filament costs me an extra €30+ to import. It is no longer economical to buy anything from the UK. …

                                                      You could do worse than get your filament from Prusa in the Czech Republic, expensive but the ones I have tried have all been very good. Now of course suffering , as you, from Brexit effects but the other way round, so to speak.

                                                      Amazon Basic filaments are not too bad, I think Amazon might have a small warehouse somewhere in the EUcheeky

                                                      John

                                                      Edited By Journeyman on 06/02/2021 13:49:19

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