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  • #515907
    Chris TickTock
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      @christicktock

      Hi Guys,

      half circle bore.jpegI intend boring a half round groove of diameter 2.5mm into the bottom of a 15mm mild steel cube. Not sure what tool to use any suggestions welcome.

      Regards

      Chris

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      #10599
      Chris TickTock
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        @christicktock
        #515909
        Ian P
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          @ianp

          Happy Christmas

          I think you will need to explain more clearly what you are trying to do.

          Is this a circular groove in a face? (Say for an O-ring face seal)

          'Bottom of cube' could be anything.

          Ian P

          #515910
          JasonB
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            @jasonb

            You could make a D bit or use a 2.5mm ball ended milling cutter, in both cases just plunge straight in.

            #515915
            Ian P
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              @ianp
              Posted by JasonB on 28/12/2020 15:45:03:

              You could make a D bit or use a 2.5mm ball ended milling cutter, in both cases just plunge straight in.

              That would create a circular (semicircular in section) depression, its not a shape I would describe as a groove as one would expect a groove to have a length dimension.

              Ian P

              #515918
              JasonB
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                @jasonb

                Well if it has length then the ball ended milling cutter would still be the tool of choice if it's straight across the cube and a D dit could be held stationary just like a form tool of it's an O ring groove. If a dimple in the middle of the cube then plunge in as per my first reply.

                #515919
                AlanW
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                  @alanw96569

                  Hi Chris. Is it an annular groove that you want to machine? If it is for an 'O' ring, it doesn't need to be semi-circular in section but rectangular. An 'O' ring should deform towards the corners of the groove.

                  Alan

                  #515927
                  Ian P
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                    @ianp

                    I wonder why I have that 'here we go again' feeling….

                    Many times previously, threads have developed a life of there own with many members suggesting solutions for problems the OP never even thought existed. Without knowing what Chris wants all we can go on is guesswork. I know I mentioned O-ring but TBH it was a bit tongue in cheek (O-rings are rarely or never fitted to semicircular grooves).

                    To me a groove is a groove. A stationary D-bit would work as a form tool but its an unlikely tool to use in the lathe or mill because most bit are relatively long so holding it would not be easy.

                    Ian P

                    #515931
                    Emgee
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                      @emgee

                      Looks to me Chris has drawn a 2.5mm diameter dimple in the part, so as said a form tool or a 2.5mm Ball Nose slot drill could be plunged in 2.5mm for the desired shape.

                      Emgee

                      #515932
                      JasonB
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                        @jasonb

                        1.25mm plunge would be betterwink

                        #515936
                        Howard Lewis
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                          @howardlewis46836

                          If the exact details of the groove were specified, (hole or groove + length ) the combined experience / skills on here could provide an answer very soon.

                          None of us know the length of a piece of string.

                          Howard

                          #515961
                          Jeff Dayman
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                            @jeffdayman43397

                            The OP has proven many times that he is expert in not explaining the problem to be solved very well, arguing with good practical advice, and not trying various things (or even googling) before wasting peoples' time.

                            #515963
                            old mart
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                              @oldmart
                              Posted by JasonB on 28/12/2020 16:48:52:

                              1.25mm plunge would be betterwink

                              Ditto the 1.25 plunge with a 1.25mm rad ball end cutter (2.5mm diameter).

                              Of course that is not a groove, just a dimple.

                              Edited By old mart on 28/12/2020 18:04:58

                              #515966
                              Andrew Tinsley
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                                @andrewtinsley63637

                                +1 for that Jeff.

                                Andrew.

                                #516101
                                Chris TickTock
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                                  @christicktock

                                  Hi Guys, thanks for posts for clarity the half round groove goes right across the face in a straight line.

                                  Regards

                                  Chris

                                  #516103
                                  Emgee
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                                    @emgee
                                    Posted by JasonB on 28/12/2020 16:48:52:

                                    1.25mm plunge would be betterwink

                                    Exactly, my error for stating 2.5mm.

                                    But now we know the groove is right across the part then it seems a round nose form tool/slot drill is the tool needed.

                                    Emgee

                                    #516113
                                    Ian P
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                                      @ianp
                                      Posted by Chris TickTock on 29/12/2020 11:35:25:

                                      Hi Guys, thanks for posts for clarity the half round groove goes right across the face in a straight line.

                                      Regards

                                      Chris

                                      Chris

                                      So if this is a half round groove running the whole width of the face, it odd that you asked about doing it by boring? Even odder that you had to ask at all thinking.

                                      From your previous posts and work that you have shown or discussed its obvious that you are fairly well skilled and knowledgeable, my initial thought was that this groove was somehow in a difficult area to access.

                                      I would like to respectfully ask that in future you take a little time composing your questions.

                                      Ian P

                                      #516123
                                      Howard Lewis
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                                        @howardlewis46836

                                        If the problem is clearly defined, the means of solving it will be more easily found..

                                        For those fortunate enough to have been in Engineering all their lives, this becomes second nature, but for a newbie this has to be part of the learning curve.

                                        Naming a process or part incorrectly can cause confusion and produce answers to a question that has not been asked. A picture or drawing often clarifies matters.

                                        So it is beginning to sound like a groove 1.25 mm deep across the face with a 2.5 mm ball nose end mill.

                                        Personally, I would be wary of doing it all in one cut, half the diameter of the end mill, even with a very fine feed.

                                        (Unless you have LOTS of spare cutters to hand! )

                                        Maybe gradually take out out some of the material with a 2mm end mill, for part of the depth, and then finish off with the ball end cutter.

                                        Howard

                                        #516133
                                        JasonB
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                                          @jasonb

                                          Chris now we know what you need to do my suggested ball nosed milling cutter would do but if you don't want to buy one then you can actually do it but simply drilling a 2.5mm dia hole right through the cube and then using a standard milling cutter to form the rectangular recess shown on your sketch which will split the round hole in two.

                                          tt cube.jpg

                                          #516148
                                          old mart
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                                            @oldmart

                                            Jason has given you an excellent choice. Should you decide to get a 2.5mm ball ended milling cutter to do the work, you will have to be very careful milling it. You will have to do the groove in careful stages to avoid breaking the cutter. With that size, I would recommend the following stages;

                                            First cut 0.5mm deep.

                                            Second cut 0.3mm deep.

                                            Third cut 0.2mm deep.

                                            Fourth cut 0.15mm deep

                                            Fifth cut 0.1mm deep.

                                            Run the mill at its maximum speed. Don't rush the feed rate. You can cut in either direction as you increase the depth.

                                            Use oil if using HSS, or dry if solid carbide.

                                            Edited By old mart on 29/12/2020 15:02:15

                                            #516188
                                            Chris TickTock
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                                              @christicktock
                                              Posted by JasonB on 29/12/2020 13:09:33:

                                              Chris now we know what you need to do my suggested ball nosed milling cutter would do but if you don't want to buy one then you can actually do it but simply drilling a 2.5mm dia hole right through the cube and then using a standard milling cutter to form the rectangular recess shown on your sketch which will split the round hole in two.

                                              tt cube.jpg

                                              Like it Jason, clever. many thanks.

                                              Chris

                                              #516206
                                              SillyOldDuffer
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                                                @sillyoldduffer

                                                Though Chris said 'groove', I read his drawing as a dimple!

                                                As this is a classic engineering problem with 2D drawings, may be worth mentioning the answer. It's to provide two or more views of the object, which together provide all the information needed to derive the 3D shape.

                                                Basically, draw what the object looks like from three sides, like plan, front and side:

                                                twoddrawing.jpg

                                                Actually this object only needs two views to show Chris said and meant 'groove'.

                                                Far more to Technical Drawing and Draughtsmanship than this example, but the basic idea is simple enough.

                                                Jason removed ambiguities by developing the object in 3D CAD, which I generally prefer because the 'real' shape can be viewed from any angle. But 2D drawings are also useful, and good ones are a positive joy to look at – art!

                                                Dave

                                                #516211
                                                roy entwistle
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                                                  @royentwistle24699

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                                                  Edited By roy entwistle on 29/12/2020 20:46:21

                                                  Edited By roy entwistle on 29/12/2020 20:47:45

                                                  #516212
                                                  JasonB
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                                                    @jasonb

                                                    Although the size in this case would not suit the method there is no reason you could not bore a circular groovewink 2

                                                    #516214
                                                    old mart
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                                                      @oldmart

                                                      Drilling the 2.5mm hole could be difficult if the drawings are similar to the job. That is deep for the diameter. What is needed is a starter hole made with a stub drill and then change to a NEW split point drill of a quality make. Everything depends on the tolerances required.

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