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        #489535
        Mick B1
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          Matter of personal choice. You'll still have to make sure your backlash is taken up in the right direction to resist the cutting thrust, but it'll be easier to count off slide movements with less mental arithmetic, or risk of mechanical disturbance zeroing dials..

          Myself, I prefer to use basic methods and dial-off the movements. It keeps me aware of how well or otherwise my head's working.

          Whether the extra money's worth spending also depends on what tooling you've already got, how much you need additional stuff, and how much uncommitted cash you have.

          #489539
          SteveW
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            @stevew54046

            I would say not worth it on a lathe. On a mill very worthwhile. Depends a bit on your skill level I guess but a dro on a lathe doesn’t make it much easier to use. Using a mill is often more coordinate based so the benefit is much more apparent. Of course there is a skill in using the dro to its best advantage.

            #489574
            Keith Fox
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              @keithfox28514

              As pretty much a novice, I fitted a DRO to my Axminster SC4 and it gave me far more confidence and in my opinion is well worthwhile doing. It wasn’t difficult to fit, but I am so happy that I did.

              Keith

              #489575
              Keith Fox
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                @keithfox28514

                As pretty much a novice, I fitted a DRO to my Axminster SC4 and it gave me far more confidence and in my opinion is well worthwhile doing. It wasn’t difficult to fit, but I am so happy that I did.

                Keith

                #489577
                Chris Evans 6
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                  @chrisevans6

                  DRO every time, I have been using lathes for 57 years and would not be without mine. So much quicker and easier to use. Just think of a simple job, a few bolts 50mm/2" long. Face the bar/zero the readout/move the carriage 50mm and set the bed stop. No measuring or guesswork, same with turning to a shoulder or parting off. I could go on but you will love the DRO.

                  #489585
                  SillyOldDuffer
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                    Posted by Mick B1 on 07/08/2020 18:29:57:

                    Matter of personal choice. You'll still have to make sure your backlash is taken up in the right direction to resist the cutting thrust, but it'll be easier to count off slide movements with less mental arithmetic, or risk of mechanical disturbance zeroing dials..

                    Myself, I prefer to use basic methods and dial-off the movements. It keeps me aware of how well or otherwise my head's working.

                    Whether the extra money's worth spending also depends on what tooling you've already got, how much you need additional stuff, and how much uncommitted cash you have.

                    +1

                    Fitting a DRO to a milling machine is a no-brainer. Multiple dial turns in 3-axes and don't forget to compensate for backlash! DRO is extremely helpful.

                    Less so on a lathe. They only have two axes, and one of the dials doesn't move far. Backlash compensation is much easier because most lathe work concentrates on one axis at a time. So I drive my lathe differently to my mill:, I calculate how much metal must be removed, cut close to that value on the dial, and then finish off with a micrometer.

                    If someone gave me a DRO I'd cheerfully fit it to my lathe, but I'm not moved to buy one. As always the value of a tool depends on the individual. Keith mentions novice confidence as a benefit, and Chris with 57 years experience recommends DRO for speed and ease of use. They're both right, but the novice stage doesn't last long, and I suspect most amateur turners work slowly compared with Chris. Well I'm sure I do! In my workshop, a lathe DRO wouldn't save much time because I'm rarely in a hurry.

                    Of course if money is no object, buy one. But if money is short it could be better spent on something more useful. Knurling, Ball-turner, QCTP, Drill Chucks, Tap and Die fittings, micrometers, squares, calipers. Collet chuck with collet set. Carbide inserts, HSS and Grinder, Oil can, DTI and stand, spanners. The list is endless…

                    Dave

                    #489591
                    Martin Cargill
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                      @martincargill50290

                      I recently gained a single axis DRO from a machine that was being modified at work and fitted it to the saddle of my lathe. It reads down to 0.1mm. I find it a great piece of kit when machining any part to length (where your not working to the nearest thou), simply touch the tool on the end of the part, zero the display and then work away until you reach the required length – no stopping for remeasuring etc.

                      Martin

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                      Mick B1
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                        @mickb1
                        Posted by Martin Cargill on 08/08/2020 10:12:20:

                        I recently gained a single axis DRO from a machine that was being modified at work and fitted it to the saddle of my lathe. It reads down to 0.1mm. I find it a great piece of kit when machining any part to length (where your not working to the nearest thou), simply touch the tool on the end of the part, zero the display and then work away until you reach the required length – no stopping for remeasuring etc.

                        Martin

                        Any lathe with a dial on the saddle handwheel can do that. I do it all the time on my Warco. You might have to do a little light mental arithmetic, as the divisions represent 0,25mm. But they're a good 3mm or so wide, so you can interpolate to a coupla thou. Good for milling in the lathe, too.

                        #489651
                        ega
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                          @ega

                          I would not want to work without an adjustable saddle stop – cheap, simple and< for most purposes, effective.

                          #489653
                          Chris Evans 6
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                            @chrisevans6

                            Plus 1 for the saddle stop.

                            #489670
                            Bazyle
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                              @bazyle

                              The 200 spennt on the DRO would buy ally the tooling you would need for years to come. If you have already allowed extra for tooling add that to the DRO money and get a bigger lathe. You can always buy a few tools later on but you can't buy and add on inch of spindle height (well not easily) so you must put absolutely everything into the basic lathe.

                              #489678
                              Nick Wheeler
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                                Posted by Chris Evans 6 on 08/08/2020 14:54:52:

                                Plus 1 for the saddle stop.

                                Plus 2

                                After installing** my wm250, I fitted the QCTP off my previous minilathe. The next evening I made an adjustable carriage stop – both adjustments are tool free so that it's easy to use.

                                ** carried it down the steps, staggered through the cellar with it and plonked it on the end of the bench where it's been ever since. Although I do swing it around on the drip tray to get in the cupboard next to the change gear cover.

                                #489683
                                mechman48
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                                  @mechman48

                                  Wouldn't be without a DRO on the mill now I have fitted mine, as for the lathe, I use a modified 6 " / 150mm Digi Vernier for saddle travel & modified tyre depth gauge for X slide measuring both work fine for my usage.

                                  George.

                                  #489719
                                  larry phelan 1
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                                    @larryphelan1

                                    Dont know how to spell D,R O, never mind how to use one !

                                    6" rule is good enough for me [and I suspect for a good many others too, if the truth be known ]

                                    Buy a sack full of bits and learn how to use the machine, then worry about a D,R,O, if you still feel you need one.

                                    #489721
                                    jimmy b
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                                      @jimmyb

                                      DRO every time for me.

                                      Jim

                                      #489780
                                      not done it yet
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                                        @notdoneityet

                                        As above, for a mill the DRO is far more useful than one for my lathe. I’ve (eventually) put one on the cross slide and have one available for the long travel. I am in no hurry to fit the long travel scale…..

                                        I will likely be making a power feed for my little mill before fitting the other scale to the lathe – and that is not a priority…

                                        #489793
                                        Emgee
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                                          @emgee

                                          If I didn't have the original Colchester saddle and cross slide adjustable multiple length stops fitted on my Bantam I would find a DRO very useful so might fit one, but not top of the list with clear to read dials, even though they are inches and most of the time I work in mm.

                                          Emgee

                                          #489798
                                          Pete Rimmer
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                                            @peterimmer30576

                                            Fitting a DRO will transform your use of a lathe. I don't know what type you'll get as a £200 accessory but my £300 one has made a world of difference to how I go about working on mine. It will even measure existing tapers very accurately.

                                            #489808
                                            Circlip
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                                              @circlip

                                              Definitely fit a DRO, you're not going to be able to do any work for Rolls Royce or NASA without. Also you must have a QC toolpost and Carbide tooling.

                                              ReGarDs Ian

                                              #489811
                                              Pete Rimmer
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                                                @peterimmer30576

                                                Some people will always resist technological advances. For me, anything that improves ease of use and reduces risk of error is a good thing.

                                                #489963
                                                Circlip
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                                                  @circlip

                                                  Fully agree but far better to learn the basics BEFORE adding the exotics. First motorised two wheeler was a Vespa, last of four bikes, Moto Guzzi Le Mans. Learned a lot between.

                                                  Regards Ian.

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                                                    #490129
                                                    Circlip
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                                                      Yes Barrie, learned that the prince of darkness was alive and well with Magnetic Marshmallow and Bosh only slightly better. Went through the "Mill(er)" saga on the Velo.

                                                      Regards Ian.

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